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The Third M?n
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PostPosted: 02.08.2004 9:20 pm    Post subject: Film Rating & Discussion Reply with quote

Somewhat influenced by something they're doing over there on Rotten Tomatoes, I've decided to do this nifty little thing which will [hopefully] create lots of discussion and film rating gobbledygook. Basically, I will post a list of films with 25 titles within it every 5 days or so, and all you have to do is rate the ones that you have seen, and, err, talk about them if you wish. The list of movies that have hitherto been rated and their respective ratings by the posters will be posted on this post. The rating system will be this [exceedingly similar to that used on RT -- okay, so I won't get points for originality but it will work]:

PRO - Masterpiece, truly great film

pro - Very good or excellent film

hmm - Solid, but nothing special

con - disappointing, mildly okay film with a few good aspects

CON - very bad, visual diarrhoea

So here's how it's going:

8 1/2

PRO: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, Mr Lime, beltmann, matt header, mfritschel, keyinblackman

pro:

hmm:

con :

CON:

The 25th Hour

PRO: Danny Baldwin

pro: Mr Lime, matt header, beltmann,

hmm: Al_Bundy_007

con :

CON:

Adaptation

PRO: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin

pro: beltmann, matt header

hmm:

con :

CON:

Aliens

PRO: the night watchman, beltmann

pro: Mr Lime, Danny Baldwin

hmm:

con :

CON:

The Apartment

PRO: matt header

pro: beltmann

hmm:

con :

CON:

Apocalypse Now

PRO: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, beltmann, Mr Lime, mfritschel

pro: matt header

hmm:

con:

CON:

L'Avventura

PRO: Mr Lime

pro:

hmm: beltmann

con:

CON: keyinblackman

Batman Returns

PRO:

pro: Mr Lime, matt header,

hmm: the night watchman, Al_Bundy_007

con : beltmann, Danny Baldwin

CON:

Battle Royale

PRO:

pro:

hmm: beltmann

con :

CON:

The Bicycle Thief

PRO: Mr Lime, beltmann, matt header

pro: Danny Baldwin

hmm:

con :

CON:

Big Fish

PRO:

pro: Mr Lime

hmm: Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header, mfritschel

con: the night watchman

CON:

Brief Encounter

PRO:

pro: beltmann

hmm:

con:

CON:

Chinatown

PRO: Mr Lime, beltmann, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin

pro: matt header

hmm:

con :

CON:

City Lights

PRO: Mr Lime, matt header, beltmann, Danny Baldwin

pro:

hmm:

con :

CON:

Commando

PRO: Mr Lime

pro:

hmm: the night watchman

con: beltmann

CON:

The Conversation

PRO: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header

pro: beltmann

hmm:

con:

CON:

Donnie Darko

PRO: Mr Lime

pro: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header

hmm:

con :

CON:

Do the Right Thing

PRO: the night watchman

pro: matt header, beltmann, Danny Baldwin

hmm:

con :

CON:

Dressed to Kill

PRO:

pro: the night watchman,

hmm: beltmann

con : matt header

CON:

Duck Soup

PRO:

pro: the night watchman, matt header, beltmann, Danny Baldwin

hmm:

con :

CON:

The Elephant Man

PRO: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header

pro: beltmann

hmm:

con :

CON:

The Evil Dead

PRO: the night watchman, Al_Bundy_007

pro: Mr Lime, matt header, Danny Baldwin

hmm: beltmann,

con :

CON:

The Evil Dead II

PRO: Al_Bundy_007

pro: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin

hmm: beltmann

con :

CON:

The Fast and the Furious

PRO:

pro: Danny Baldwin

hmm: the night watchman, beltmann

con : Mr Lime, matt header

CON:

Fight Club

PRO: Mr Lime

pro: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, mfritschel

hmm: beltmann, matt header

con: keyinblackman

CON:

Forrest Gump

PRO: Mr Lime, Danny Baldwin

pro: the night watchman, matt header

hmm: beltmann, Al_Bundy_007

con :

CON:

Gangs of New York

PRO:

pro: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin,

hmm: beltmann, matt header

con :

CON:

Gerry

PRO:

pro:

hmm: beltmann

con :

CON:

The Goonies

PRO:

pro: Mr Lime

hmm: beltmann, mfritschel

con: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman

CON: keyinblackman

The Gospel According to St Matthew

PRO:

pro: beltmann

hmm:

con :

CON:

Halloween II

PRO:

pro:

hmm: the night watchman

con : Danny Baldwin

CON:

It's a Wonderful Life

PRO: Mr Lime, matt header

pro: Danny Baldwin, beltmann

hmm:

con : the night watchman

CON:

Kids

PRO:

pro:

hmm:

con : Mr Lime, Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header

CON:

Kill baby, Kill!

PRO:

pro: matt header

hmm:

con :

CON:

Last Action Hero

PRO:

pro: Mr Lime

hmm: the night watchman, matt header

con : beltmann

CON:

Lawrence of Arabia

PRO: Danny Baldwin, beltmann, Mr Lime, matt header, mfritschel

pro:

hmm:

con:

CON:

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

PRO:

pro:

hmm:

con : Danny Baldwin

CON: the night watchman, Mr Lime, beltmann, Al_Bundy_007

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring

PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin, Al_Bundy_007

pro: matt header, beltmann

hmm:

con :

CON:

Lost Highway

PRO: the night watchman

pro:

hmm: beltmann, matt header

con :

CON:

The Magnificent Ambersons

PRO: Mr Lime

pro: beltmann

hmm:

con :

CON:

The Man With The Golden Gun

PRO:

pro: matt header

hmm: the night watchman, Mr Lime, Danny Baldwin, Al_Bundy_007

con : beltmann

CON:

The Matrix

PRO: Mr Lime

pro: the night watchman, beltmann

hmm: Danny Badwin, matt header

con :

CON:

Monsters Inc.

PRO:

pro: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header, beltmann,

hmm: Danny Baldwin, Al_Bundy_007

con :

CON:

Mulholland Dr.

PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin

pro: beltmann, matt header, Al_Bundy_007

hmm:

con :

CON:

A Night at the Opera

PRO: Danny Baldwin, Mr Lime, matt header

pro: beltmann,

hmm:

con:

CON:

Nosferatu (1922)

PRO: matt header

pro: the night watchman, Mr Lime, beltmann,

hmm:

con :

CON:

Operation Intercept

PRO:

pro:

hmm:

con :

CON: Mr Lime

Pi

PRO: the night watchman,

pro: Mr Lime, matt header, Danny Baldwin

hmm: beltmann

con :

CON:

Punch-Drunk Love

PRO: Mr Lime, keyinblackman

pro: Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header, mfritschel

hmm:

con:

CON:

Raiders of the Lost Ark

PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, beltmann, matt header

pro:

hmm: Danny Baldwin

con :

CON:

Raging Bull

PRO: Danny Baldwin, Mr Lime, matt header, mfritschel

pro: beltmann, keyinblackman

hmm:

con:

CON:

Rashomon

PRO: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, beltmann, Mr Lime, matt header, keyinblackman

pro:

hmm:

con:

CON:

Red River

PRO: beltmann

pro:

hmm:

con :

CON:

Reservoir Dogs

PRO: Danny Baldwin, beltmann

pro: Mr Lime, the night watchman

hmm: matt header

con :

CON:

The Return of the King

PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin

pro: beltmann, matt header

hmm:

con :

CON:

Robocop

PRO: the night watchman,

pro: beltmann

hmm:

con : Al_Bundy_007

CON:

A Short Film About Killing

PRO: beltmann

pro:

hmm:

con:

CON:

Shrek

PRO: Danny Baldwin

pro: Mr Lime, the night watchman,

hmm: matt header, beltmann, Al_Bundy_007

con :

CON:

Signs

PRO: Danny Baldwin

pro: Mr Lime, beltmann,

hmm: matt header, Al_Bundy_007

con : the night watchman

CON:

Silence of the Lambs

PRO: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, Mr Lime

pro: beltmann, matt header, mfritschel, keyinblackman

hmm:

con:

CON:

The Sixth Sense

PRO: Mr Lime

pro: Danny Baldwin, the night watchman, beltmann, matt header, keyinblackman

hmm: mfritschel

con:

CON:

Sleepy Hollow

PRO:

pro: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header,

hmm: Danny Baldwin, beltmann,

con: mfritschel, keyinblackman

CON:

Solaris (2002)

PRO:

pro: the night watchman, beltmann, Mr Lime, matt header,

hmm: Danny Baldwin

con: mfritschel

CON:

Stalker

PRO: Mr Lime

pro:

hmm:

con:

CON:

Star Wars: A New Hope

PRO: the night watchman, Danny Baldwin

pro: Al_Bundy_007

hmm: Mr Lime, beltmann,

con :

CON:

The Straight Story

PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, matt header

pro: beltmann

hmm:

con :

CON:

Torque

PRO:

pro:

hmm:

con : Danny Baldwin

CON: Al_Bundy_007

Touch of Evil

PRO: beltmann, Mr Lime

pro: the night watchman

hmm: matt header

con:

CON:

Unbreakable

PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman

pro: Danny Baldwin, beltmann, matt header

hmm:

con :

CON:

Underground

PRO:

pro:

hmm:

con:

CON:

The Usual Suspects

PRO: Mr Lime, the night watchman, Danny Baldwin,

pro: matt header

hmm: beltmann

con :

CON:

Vertigo

PRO: the night watchman, Mr Lime, matt header, keyinblackman

pro: Danny Baldwin, beltmann,

hmm:

con:

CON:

Week-End

PRO:

pro:

hmm:

con:

CON:

Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

PRO: matt header, Danny Baldwin, Al_Bundy_007

pro: Mr Lime, the night watchman, beltmann

hmm:

con :

CON:

Wild Strawberries

PRO: beltmnn, Mr Lime

pro: Danny Baldwin

hmm: keyinblackman

con: mfritschel

CON:

xXx

PRO:

pro:

hmm: matt header, beltmann, Danny Baldwin, the night watchman

con :

CON: Mr Lime


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PostPosted: 02.08.2004 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You picked too many good ones!

8 1/2 - PRO

Apocalypse Now - PRO

Big Fish - hmm

Fight Club - pro

The Goonies - con

Lawrence of Arabia - PRO

A Night at the Opera - PRO

Punch-Drunk Love - pro

Raging Bull - PRO

Rashomon - PRO

Silence of the Lambs - PRO

The Sixth Sense - pro

Sleepy Hollow - hmm

Solaris (2002) - hmm

Vertigo - pro

Wild Strawberries - pro
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PostPosted: 02.08.2004 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Film Rating & Discussion Reply with quote

8 1/2 - PRO

Apocalypse Now - PRO

L'Avventura - n/a

Big Fish - con

Brief Encounter - n/a

Commando - hmm (I assume this is the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie)

The Conversation - PRO

Fight Club - pro

The Goonies - con

Lawrence of Arabia - n/a

A Night at the Opera - n/a

Punch-Drunk Love - n/a

Raging Bull - n/a

Rashomon - PRO

A Short Film About Killing - n/a

Silence of the Lambs - PRO

The Sixth Sense - pro

Sleepy Hollow - pro

Solaris (2002) - pro

Stalker - n/a

Touch of Evil - pro

Underground - n/a

Vertigo - PRO

Week-End - n/a

Wild Strawberries - n/a
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Film Rating & Discussion Reply with quote

Okay, I'll play just this once.

8 1/2 [PRO]

Apocalypse Now [PRO]

L'Avventura [hmm]

Big Fish [hmm]

Brief Encounter [pro]

Commando [con]

The Conversation [pro]

Fight Club [hmm]

The Goonies [hmm]

Lawrence of Arabia [PRO]

A Night at the Opera [pro]

Punch-Drunk Love [pro]

Raging Bull [pro]

Rashomon [PRO]

A Short Film About Killing [PRO]

Silence of the Lambs [pro]

The Sixth Sense [pro]

Sleepy Hollow [hmm]

Solaris (2002) [pro]

Stalker [n/a]

Touch of Evil [PRO]

Underground [n/a]

Vertigo [pro]

Week-End [n/a, much to my chagrin]

Wild Strawberries [PRO]

I'm not too crazy about this exercise.

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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree. Three of us responded and it hasn't generated any discussion. Too bad, Mr. Lime.
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what I think, then...

8 1/2 - PRO

Apocalypse Now - PRO

L'Avventura - PRO

Big Fish - pro

Brief Encounter - N/A

Commando - If taken seriously: CON If not: PRO+++

The Conversation - PRO

Fight Club - PRO

The Goonies - pro

Lawrence of Arabia - PRO

A Night at the Opera - PRO

Punch-Drunk Love - PRO

Raging Bull - PRO

Rashomon - PRO

A Short Film About Killing - N/A

Silence of the Lambs - PRO

The Sixth Sense - PRO

Sleepy Hollow - pro

Solaris (2002) - pro

Stalker - PRO

Touch of Evil - PRO

Underground - N/A

Vertigo - PRO

Week-End - N/A

Wild Strawberries - PRO

Feeling a bit reluctant, are we? Hmm...
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm okay with this game, even if I didn't feel like discussing any of the movies. I will say I like Soderberg's Solaris better than Tarkovsky's, blasphemous as that may be to admit. And, umm, I'm ashamed that I haven't seen half the films I haven't seen, although Punch Drunk Love is not my fault, since, for some reason, all PDL DVDs are convinced my player is not Region 1. Haven't figured that one out yet.
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just yesterday I saw The Conversation and I really, really liked it. An underseen little gem, I thought, but how do you think it compares to the rest of Coppola's films? [it's obviously superior to Dracula and Jack, of course]. I'm not sure which one is better, this or Apocalypse Now -- bear in mind that I have not seen any of The Godfather films [I know, I know...]
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:
I'm okay with this game, even if I didn't feel like discussing any of the movies. I will say I like Soderberg's Solaris better than Tarkovsky's, blasphemous as that may be to admit.


I thought Soderbergh's version was spot on; deeply atmospheric, finely acted and emotionally involving. I haven't seen Tarkovsky's, though -- the novel, by Stanisav Lem, is amazing, by the way. Have you read it?
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Film Rating & Discussion Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:


Stalker [n/a]



Wait... so you haven't seen it?!
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Third M?n wrote:
Just yesterday I saw The Conversation and I really, really liked it. An underseen little gem, I thought, but how do you think it compares to the rest of Coppola's films?


I just recently saw it for the first time myself. I think I actually like it better than Apocalypse Now and the first two Godfathers (haven't seen the third one), but then again, I tend to like quiet, private dramas like that. (Loved the nightmarish, almost horror movie style sequence in the hotel room. Reminded me of something from a De Palma flick.) I also like how Hackman's character isn't quite the man all of his peers think he is, and how he himself sort of seems to realize it but is trying to keep that knowledge at bay.

And, no, I haven't read Lem's book yet, but I want to.
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:


I just recently saw it for the first time myself. I think I actually like it better than Apocalypse Now and the first two Godfathers (haven't seen the third one), but then again, I tend to like quiet, private dramas like that. (Loved the nightmarish, almost horror movie style sequence in the hotel room. Reminded me of something from a De Palma flick.) I also like how Hackman's character isn't quite the man all of his peers think he is, and how he himself sort of seems to realize it but is trying to keep that knowledge at bay.


Yup; those scenes [the toilet one was terrific!] reminded me a lot of De Palma's films, such as Blow Out or Dressed to Kill, in their own Hitchcokian way. By the way, what did you think of the ending? I thought it was very out of the blue and, while anyone could have predicted it, it is Coppola's direction which prevents us from doing so. It was excellent.

the night watchman wrote:
And, no, I haven't read Lem's book yet, but I want to.


It's superb -- read it last Christmas and loved it. Dissimilar to Soderberg's film, of course, but it still is a masterpiece of science fiction.
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The Third M?n wrote:
By the way, what did you think of the ending?


Yeah, the irresolute ending signals how the rest of his life will proceed, and yet, he knows it and is resigned to it. Very complex coda.
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more question: why only a pro for Touch of Evil? Come on, it deserves more than that...

That first shot really was breathtaking.
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PostPosted: 02.09.2004 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved Touch of Evil (and, hey, you defined "pro" as "very good or excellent," so I didn't give it a bad grade), and that opening shot is absolutely splendid, but it's a self-conscious noir (usually considered by most scholars to be that last "true" noir), so it doesn't quite carry that grim, semi-nihilistic feel most noirs do. Plus, Charlton Heston makes a ridiculous Mexican, and that's coming from a guy who lives in southern California.
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