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the night watchman
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PostPosted: 07.25.2003 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
Is there anyone out there that actually thinks a 3-star review for Bad Boys II means the same thing as a 3-star review for Capturing the Friedmans?


Are there any 3-star reviews for "Bad Boys II"? Shocked I didn't know they let 14-year-old boys be professional critics.
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PostPosted: 07.26.2003 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually saw a 3 and a half star review for Bad Boys 2. I think some internet critics are turning into studio shills, and people are actually taking them seriously.

Hey, I'm 14, what'd it to you? Laughing Cool
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PostPosted: 07.26.2003 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mark Dujsik,

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this subject. Why did you choose the 4-star system? Have you ever considered the 100-point scale?


Sorry for the late reply, I just saw this post.

I use the 4-star scale because that's what I was brought up on--Siskel and Ebert both used it and, probably like every other critic of my generation, they were most vital to the growth of my appreciation of film and film criticism. I'd gladly dismiss any rating scale immediately, except that it makes it easier for me to organize end-of-year lists and gives me a general aim for the review--how much I liked/disliked the movie I'm writing about. That and I'm sure a lot of casual "readers" only go off of the rating.

I'd never use the 100-point scale because it's far to specific for my tastes. That and it reminds me too much of grade school (last time I checked, a 60 was an F). The 10-point or letter grade scale, I can accept. I could use those, but I think I'd just make a conversion system from the 4-star one.
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PostPosted: 07.26.2003 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I actually saw a 3 and a half star review for Bad Boys 2. I think some internet critics are turning into studio shills, and people are actually taking them seriously.


It's the double-edged sword of the Internet.
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PostPosted: 07.27.2003 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott Tobias, one of my personal favorite film critics who writes for The Onion, said one of my favorite quotes so far about "Bay Boys II": "[It] is that rare case in which escapism involves leaving the theater."
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PostPosted: 08.07.2003 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a very simple rating system. I call it Binary. A film is either a 1 or a 0.

As soon as my group of "disciples" grows beyond my wife and brother, I'm sure it will overshadow the Ebert and Siskel/Roeper "thumbs up" system as the absolute LAST WORD in film validation, nationally.
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PostPosted: 08.07.2003 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeE wrote:
I have a very simple rating system. I call it Binary. A film is either a 1 or a 0.


An interesting method. Will you explain for us what you consider the strengths of this system, and distinguish its advantages over other popular systems? (In other words, can you elaborate on why you chose Binary?)

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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's strength is it's simplicity. It's advantage over other systems is that it is very easy to remember. Very Happy

For example you may find yourself in the rental store and see a particular title and say to yourself, or perhaps aloud to a companion, "Oh, yeah. Joe gave this a 1. Let's rent this one." It does not get any easier.

Of course, such a simple system requires great faith. I would recommend taking my advice for at least six months before forming an opinion on my advice.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'm curious as to why you chose 1 and 0 to represent negative or positive. Maybe it's because it's new to me, but it sounds a little bizzare versus something like thumbs up/thumbs down. Of course, I'm crazy in most situations.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The binary system" was a joke. I was trying to poke fun at the way some critics "reduce an art form to mathematics". I reduced the mathematics to binary, an ubsurdly simplistic metric for a complex work like a motion picture.

I am learning quickly that my sense of humor (or lack there of) is innappropriate for this forum. I will restrict my comments to symbols, metaphors and tropes from here on out...
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeE wrote:
I will restrict my comments to symbols, metaphors and tropes from here on out...


Now that's funny.

Your "binary" method is a good joke, too, and I agree that some of the systems out there that are designed to make the ratings the focal point of the review are absolutely absurd. When we reduce the discussion of an art form to shorthand representations--or mathematical representations--we also impoverish the art itself, ignoring the infinite nuances, beauties, and powers that exist in it. In other words, we shear the work of what makes it worth discussing.

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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I took it seriously since the rest are so absurd...I found a guy that rated out of 7 yesterday.
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PostPosted: 02.22.2004 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm finally convinced that perhaps the D'Angeloes are onto something. Yet I'm not entirely sold on the 100-point scale. While I agree that traditional scales impose far too many limitations, I believe their system suffers from the same inherent problems. Instead, I am proposing a new method. To illustrate, I will score several films recently viewed, employing a scale that will, I believe, render all others obsolete:

Drunken Angel (Kurosawa 1948) - 854.566

Imitation of Life (Stahl 1934) - 578.321

Pickup on South Street (Fuller 1953) - 695.001

Johnny English (Howitt, UK 2003) - 502.488

West of Hot Dog (Pembroke and Rock 1924) - 500.127

Eastern Condors (Hung, Hong Kong 1986) - 576.839

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PostPosted: 02.23.2004 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you didn't drink, Eric. Wink
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PostPosted: 02.23.2004 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he's only got maybe one or two beers in his system. This is how things should be done:

Pulp Fiction (Tarantino, 1994) - 90000789009.75657
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