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the night watchman
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PostPosted: 02.28.2004 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 02.29.2004 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Film Rating & Discussion Reply with quote

Here's my ratings, just to state my position for the record...

8 1/2 n/a

The 25th Hour n/a

Adaptation n/a

Aliens pro

The Apartment n/a

Apocalypse Now PRO

L'Avventura n/a

Batman Returns con

Battle Royale PRO

The Bicycle Thief n/a

Big Fish n/a

Brief Encounter hmm

Chinatown hmm

City Lights n/a

Commando hmm

The Conversation n/a

Donnie Darko PRO

Do the Right Thing hmm

Dressed to Kill pro

Duck Soup n/a

The Elephant Man pro

The Evil Dead pro

The Evil Dead II PRO

The Fast and the Furious CON

Fight Club con

Forrest Gump CON

Gangs of New York n/a

Gerry n/a

The Goonies con

The Gospel According to St Matthew n/a

Halloween II pro

It's a Wonderful Life n/a

Kids hmm

Kill baby, Kill! n/a

Last Action Hero hmm

Lawrence of Arabia pro

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen hmm:

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring pro

Lost Highway hmm

The Magnificent Ambersons n/a

The Man With The Golden Gun hmm

The Matrix con

Monsters Inc. hmm

Mulholland Dr. pro

A Night at the Opera n/a

Nosferatu (1922) PRO

Operation Intercept n/a

Pi n/a

Punch-Drunk Love n/a

Raiders of the Lost Ark hmm

Raging Bull n/a

Rashomon n/a

Red River n/a

Reservoir Dogs hmm

The Return of the King n/a

Robocop pro

A Short Film About Killing n/a

Shrek pro

Signs hmm

Silence of the Lambs PRO

The Sixth Sense con

Sleepy Hollow pro

Solaris (2002) n/a

Stalker n/a

Star Wars: A New Hope hmm

The Straight Story n/a

Torque n/a

Touch of Evil n/a

Unbreakable pro

Underground n/a

The Usual Suspects pro

Vertigo pro

Week-End n/a

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? con

Wild Strawberries n/a

xXx con
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The Third M?n
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PostPosted: 03.06.2004 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
L'Atalante - PRO - one of my favorite pictures all-time



I'm actually dying to see this... what's so great about it?
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PostPosted: 03.11.2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Third M?n wrote:
I am astounded. Seriously Eric, are you telling me you haven't seen this gem of a film, with two of the finest Britsh actors of all time, Laurence Olivier and Michael Caine? Sleuth is a classic cat-and-mouse thriller, with a twist at the beginning, middle and end. It's a masterpiece and one of my all-time favourites. See it and chime in later to tell me how brilliant it was.


The first 2 discs Netflix sent me were so scratched they wouldn't play. But the third arrived today in nearly pristine condition. Excellent, excellent... thanks for the recommendation. I half hoped the dialogue wouldn't actually mention Olivier's impotence--to me, that metaphor was made very clear throughout the entire picture--but otherwise the dialogue is the movie's best quality. I absolutely adored listening to these smart, clever, sophisticated lines coming from these two great actors. I was particularly interested in the class warfare theme, and both actors brilliantly convey the mutual contempt the classes have for each other. One question: When the Inspector first arrives, are we supposed to be sharing Olivier's viewpoint, and not realize that's Caine in costume? Are we supposed to be shocked when he tears off the mask? If so, it didn't work at all... I recognized him immediately. Anyway, marvelous picture: pro, maybe PRO.

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PostPosted: 03.11.2004 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
One question: When the Inspector first arrives, are we supposed to be sharing Olivier's viewpoint, and not realize that's Caine in costume? Are we supposed to be shocked when he tears off the mask? If so, it didn't work at all... I recognized him immediately.


Yes, I think so. I saw the stage play when I was but a lad, and I remember the audience gasping at the twist. I suspect the audience's reaction to the film was probably similar. It's probably something that worked better back when the film was first released.

Along a similar line: In Cronenberg's M. Butterfly I believe we the audience are intended to realized Song's sex long before Gallimard, a tactic, from what I understand, that is far different from the play.
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PostPosted: 03.11.2004 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:
Along a similar line: In Cronenberg's M. Butterfly


I never saw the stage version--and I haven't seen the film since it was in theaters--but as I understand it, the film is substantially different. Besides, there's no hiding John Lone's five-o'clock-shadow. Very Happy

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PostPosted: 03.11.2004 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
Besides, there's no hiding John Lone's five-o'clock-shadow. Very Happy


No, there isn't. I haven't seen the stage version either, but I find Cronenberg's portrait of denial more interesting than a surprise penis, a la Crying Game.
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PostPosted: 03.11.2004 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL. And I agree. I'm not a big fan of the movie, but in that respect it is moderately interesting. (I'm not a huge fan of Crying Game, either.)

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Fred C. Dobbs
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PostPosted: 03.14.2004 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From your list:

8 1/2: pro

Aliens: pro

Apocalypse Now: pro

Batman Returns: pro

Chinatown: PRO

City Lights: pro

Do the Right Thing: PRO

Duck Soup: pro

The Elephant Man: pro

The Evil Dead: hmm

The Evil Dead II: con

The Fast and the Furious: con

Fight Club: con

Forrest Gump: hmm

Gangs of New York: PRO

The Goonies: hmm

Halloween II: hmm

It's a Wonderful Life: pro

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring: pro

The Man With The Golden Gun: pro

The Matrix: con

Mulholland Dr.: PRO

A Night at the Opera: PRO

Nosferatu (1922): pro

Punch-Drunk Love: PRO

Raiders of the Lost Ark: pro

Raging Bull: PRO

Reservoir Dogs: pro

The Return of the King: pro

Shrek: hmm

Signs: con

Silence of the Lambs: PRO

The Sixth Sense: pro

Sleepy Hollow: pro

Star Wars: A New Hope: hmm

Touch of Evil: PRO

Unbreakable: pro

The Usual Suspects: hmm

Vertigo: pro

Week-End: con

Who Framed Roger Rabbit?: hmm

Wild Strawberries: PRO

xXx: con
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