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Tooky Cat
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PostPosted: 03.26.2004 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
I'll complain about the illogic of The Exorcist, but even more about its lack of sophistication. It's a fairly primitive horror show, and, to me, not particularly effective.




I'll agree, it's an extraordinarily basic plot that doesn't go nearly far enough into the psychological aspects of exorcisms and possession as it ought to have. But I still liked it. I wouldn't necessarily call it "the scariest thing I've ever seen", per se, but at the very least it's intriguing. I actually decided to read the book, and find that that explains much much more, and goes well beyond religious themes and deep into the girl's psyche. At least I think it did. I really don't remember all that well.
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PostPosted: 03.27.2004 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved Ringu. I was hooked from the first minute and continue to enjoy it every time I sit down to watch it. Ringu 2 is less effective, and Ring 0: Birthday is more of a tragedy than a horror film, but I was happy to watch all of them. Even the original sequel Rasen a.k.a. Spiral has its moments although as a sequel it's pretty poor.



I did enjoy The Ring, mostly because it's a good story, but found it almost impossible to respect. The director's habit of appropriating scenes from Ringu, Ringu 2 and astonishingly Dark Water after establishing his own take on the story was pretty lazy. I would rather he had built on his own ideas for the story (and he clearly did have some of his own thoughts about the film) than nipping back to shot-for-shot clones of scenes from the original.



I'm curious to see how Hideo Nakata will fare if he gets the job directing The Ring 2. Could be interesting.



As for The Exorcist, the less said the better. Terrible, terrible film.
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PostPosted: 03.29.2004 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel compelled to defend The Exorcist - I think it's a great horror film, unforgettable in its power. It has the ability to make me shudder just by thinking about it. (Or for personal reasons perhaps - my dad watched this with me when I was about 12, and it remains a fond experience, if that makes any sense.)
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PostPosted: 03.29.2004 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a hard time wondering why anyone would judge The Exorcist "terrible," too, although I can understand why some would not like it. For me, the most effective moments are more low-key and suggestive; like when Regan tells the astronaut at the party, "You're gonna die up there," and the ambiguity of director Burke's death. On the other hand, the more in-your-face moments the movie is known for scared me silly when I first saw it, like you, Matt, when I was around eleven or twelve. I like Max von Sydow's performance, and the sound effects and some of the visuals remain effective today, even after decades of parody and lampoons.
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PostPosted: 03.29.2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Harper wrote:
I'm curious to see how Hideo Nakata will fare if he gets the job directing The Ring 2. Could be interesting.





pretty sure i remember reading that verbinski wwas slated for ring 2. but i also think i remember reading that nakata would director some stateside production... perhaps a remake of his other movie chaos with de niro, del toro, and some girl i can't remember.
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PostPosted: 03.29.2004 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually i was wrong!
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PostPosted: 03.29.2004 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See? That's what you get for doubting my word.



What with Takashi Shimizu getting to direct the US version of Juon, and Nakata doing The Ring 2, perhaps this will encourage other studios to (wisely) employ the original directors to do remakes.
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PostPosted: 03.30.2004 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Harper wrote:
See? That's what you get for doubting my word.



What with Takashi Shimizu getting to direct the US version of Juon, and Nakata doing The Ring 2, perhaps this will encourage other studios to (wisely) employ the original directors to do remakes.


I dunno... history is littered with those experiments gone awry. Exhibit A: George Sluizer and The Vanishing. Too often a director's energy for the material has been spent, and a new voice may be beneficial. I'd say more integral to a remake's success is simply a good script and a skilled director capable of tapping the original's spirit while injecting his own improvements.
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PostPosted: 03.30.2004 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
Jim Harper wrote:
See? That's what you get for doubting my word.



What with Takashi Shimizu getting to direct the US version of Juon, and Nakata doing The Ring 2, perhaps this will encourage other studios to (wisely) employ the original directors to do remakes.


I dunno... history is littered with those experiments gone awry. Exhibit A: George Sluizer and The Vanishing.




Afreakinmen! I couldn't believe how lousy the US version of The Vanishing was.
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PostPosted: 03.30.2004 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
I dunno... history is littered with those experiments gone awry. Exhibit A: George Sluizer and The Vanishing. Too often a director's energy for the material has been spent, and a new voice may be beneficial. I'd say more integral to a remake's success is simply a good script and a skilled director capable of tapping the original's spirit while injecting his own improvements.




Well, I can't argue there. The Vanishing was terrible. I'll keep my fingers crossed about Juon and The Ring 2, but I'll keep The Vanishing in mind.
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