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PostPosted: 08.29.2003 5:53 am    Post subject: Movies About Violence Reply with quote

Whew. I just got done watching Michael Haneke's "Funny Games," and this is a very initial reaction, but I'm blown away. I wouldn't hesitate in calling it brilliant, subversive, exciting cinema, and it got me thinking: what movies take a very in-depth, analytical look at violence, how it interacts with society, its allure, etc.? I came up with some choices; any others you'd add?

- Funny Games (Haneke, 1997)

- The Conversation (Coppola, 1974)

- Le Samourai (Melville, 1967)

- Taxi Driver (Scorsese, 1976)

- A Clockwork Orange (Kubrick, 1974)

- Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967)

- I Stand Alone (Noe, 1998)

- The Game (Fincher, 1997)

- Hero (Yimou, 2002)

- M (Lang, 1931)

- Macbeth (Polanski, 1971)

- Princess Mononoke (Mayazaki, 1999)

- Rashomon (Kurosawa, 1951)

- Rear Window (Hitchcock, 1954)

- Sling Blade (Thornton, 1997)

- The Wild Bunch (Peckinpah, 1969)
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PostPosted: 08.29.2003 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are a few off the top of my head:



  • Bloodletting (Walsh, 1997)

  • Last House on the Left (Craven, 1972)

  • Natural Born Killers (Stone, 1994)



I may think of more later.
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PostPosted: 08.30.2003 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good choices with Polanski's "Macbeth" and Miyazaki's "Princess Mononoke," Matt. Those wouldn't have occured to me.

My list (not including those already mentioned):

Pulp Fiction

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre

Unforgiven

Open Range

Blue Velvet

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

Heavenly Creatures

The Crow

Blood Simple

The Hitcher

Irreversible

Don't Torture a Duckling

I have a question regarding "Last House on the Left." Here was a movie I had put off watching for so long because I was sort of afraid of it, based on its reputation. After I watched it, I was left baffled, specifically by the slapstick cop antics. I had no idea how I was supposed to take those scenes within the context of the rest of the movie. So "Last House" was more of a perplexing than grueling experience for me. Anybody else have the same reaction?
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PostPosted: 08.30.2003 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:
I have a question regarding "Last House on the Left." Here was a movie I had put off watching for so long because I was sort of afraid of it, based on its reputation. After I watched it, I was left baffled, specifically by the slapstick cop antics. I had no idea how I was supposed to take those scenes within the context of the rest of the movie. So "Last House" was more of a perplexing than grueling experience for me. Anybody else have the same reaction?


That was exactly what I though after viewing it...In fact, it's definitely one of my least favorite Craven films.
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PostPosted: 08.31.2003 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also not a fan of Last House, for reasons documented on the former message board. As for the bumbling cops, to me they served only as transition material, as a way for Craven to push the main plotline ahead by having something to cut away to. In my opinion, those passages are embarrassing.

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PostPosted: 08.31.2003 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, of course, about the stupid cops in Last House on the Left (even Craven acknowledges the stupidity of that subplot and many of the film's other flaws). Nevertheless, I think the scenes in the woods are emotionally wrenching and incredibly tough to watch. It's a terribly flawed film, but it's also one of the most powerful films I've ever seen. I wrote a review last year, after seeing it for the first time in years, and it still had quite an impact. I'm in the minority here, I know.
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PostPosted: 08.31.2003 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael B. Scrutchin wrote:
I agree, of course, about the stupid cops in Last House on the Left (even Craven acknowledges the stupidity of that subplot and many of the film's other flaws). Nevertheless, I think the scenes in the woods are emotionally wrenching and incredibly tough to watch. It's a terribly flawed film, but it's also one of the most powerful films I've ever seen. I wrote a review last year, after seeing it for the first time in years, and it still had quite an impact. I'm in the minority here, I know.


Sometimes it's necessary to understand the era that the movie was made. Even though I didn't like "Last House," I am sort of fascinated by it, or rather, the effect it apparently had, and still has, on people. I'll probably take a survey of movies that came out around that time, and rewatch "Last House" along with them.

Also, "The Virgin Spring" is often referenced in "Last House" reviews -- you mention it yourself in yours, Michael. I have never seen it. How do the two movies compare, and does a viewing of the "The Virgin Spring" reveal anything at all about "Last House?"
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PostPosted: 08.31.2003 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:
Also, "The Virgin Spring" is often referenced in "Last House" reviews -- you mention it yourself in yours, Michael. I have never seen it. How do the two movies compare, and does a viewing of the "The Virgin Spring" reveal anything at all about "Last House?"


Actually, I remember discussing this very topic with Michael on the old board. It was interesting because Michael saw Last House prior to Spring, while Spring was already one of my personal favorites long before I saw Last House. Did that explain our different responses? Well, Michael likes Last House a lot more than I do, but I'd argue that many, many variables must influence that difference of opinion. As for me, I can say with certainty that being familiar with Bergman's version affected my response. I think Bergman's is easily the superior work--far more honest, moving, and haunting--and I'm sure my memory of that masterpiece tainted my experience with Last House. (I would hasten to speculate that I would still have resisted Craven's version even without knowing Bergman's.)

EDIT: Michael, is it possible to access/retrieve that old thread? Or was that one that was erased?

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PostPosted: 08.31.2003 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's retrievable, but I'd certainly like to read it; or, if nothing else, a revisit of the discussion, if you two are interested.
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PostPosted: 09.02.2003 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael B. Scrutchin wrote:
I'm in the minority here, I know.
I agree with everything you say about the movie (though I consider the one major flaw of the cops to further disturb the atmosphere of the movie because their stupidity interfered with saving the girls when they had the perfect chance to--same goes with the score, that further disturbs things), but I prefer Bergman's film.
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PostPosted: 09.09.2003 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd also like to include Fight Club and Psycho.
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PostPosted: 09.18.2003 2:53 pm    Post subject: Greatest Movies Reply with quote

How can Apocalypse not be on any ones list?

Post 1970's movies that constitute my bunch.

1) Apocalypse Now

2) Taxi Driver

3) Reservoir Dogs

4) Mullholland Drive

5) Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels

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PostPosted: 09.18.2003 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since everyone's already covered the biggies, I'd like to throw in Julie Taymor's Titus. I must watch that movie again soon.
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PostPosted: 09.18.2003 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes!!! "Titus" has its problems, but I love that movie; I've seen it several times and I like it just as much each time.
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PostPosted: 09.18.2003 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Titus got some pretty poor reviews when it was released, but I thought it was a pretty good movie.
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