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What is the most disturbing movie you've ever seen?
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PostPosted: 12.08.2004 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lost in Translation. I'm constantly defending that film to others--especially students--who are convinced that nothing happens in it. Not liking a film is one thing, but not understanding it is another.





I think casual movie-goers tend to expect a formula, and when what is "supposed" to happen doesn't, the film sort of sets them adrift, and they are unable to perceive when something is happening. I have a friend who loved Boat Trip, which is just about the stalest, most predictable (read: mind-numbing) comedy in years, but felt ambivalent about Lost in Translation. He didn't hate it; but after the movie was over, he looked at me, shrugged, and said, "I guess I didn't 'get it.'" It would have been discourteous to tell him that since Translation isn't the kind of movie that provides the viewer with the standard mainstream cues or progression, he didn't know when or how to react. But that is, I think, based on his taste in movies, which I am pretty familiar with, why the movie lost him.



I still remember watching The Truman Show the first time. I was a row up from some of acquaintances who were big Jim Carrey fans. (By this time Carrey's popularity was based mainly on Ace Ventura and In Living Color.) As the movie played out, I heard them start to chuckle when it seemed as though a typical "Jim Carrey funny bit" was being set up, and when it didn't pan out the way they assumed it would they sort of forced out a some confused laughter. Afterward in the lobby, one of them told me, "I didn't like the ending. I didn't like the beginning. I didn't like anything in between." Oh? Then why the laughter?



Is it possible that some movie-goers approach film as a participatory event, and go in expecting cues that instruct them how and when to react? Sometimes watching a movie this way can be fun, of course. The fun in What Lies Beneath, for example, comes from recognizing and anticipating the plot progression and going along with it. But expecting all movies to stick with this rule seems somewhat limiting. I don't think it's elitist to recognize that.
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PostPosted: 12.08.2004 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:
It would have been discourteous to tell him that since Translation isn't the kind of movie that provides the viewer with the standard mainstream cues or progression, he didn't know when or how to react.


Courtesy is just another way to lie.



You're right on all counts, of course. And the true elitism is found in the narrow view, because it limits what movies can be and do--by excluding unfamiliar stories and styles, it's a form of reverse snobbery. (That's a point I recently made in my piece on the Milwaukee film festival, which, I swear, will be completed soon. So hard to find chunks of time to write... most has been completed in between 10 and 12 at night, because the day is too packed with other obligations.)



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PostPosted: 12.10.2004 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AUGUST UNDERGROUND and the sequel MORDUM



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PostPosted: 12.10.2004 11:34 pm    Post subject: I j Reply with quote

Michael B. Scrutchin wrote:
I wonder how those who say "nothing happens" in Lost in Translation would react to Bruno Dumont's Twentynine Palms, in which even less happens during its two hours. That is, until the final 15 minutes or so, which will probably shock and horrify even the most jaded.


The irony there is that the same people saying that nothing happens in Lost in Translation are the ones who actually like movies where nothing, in fact, does happen. Coppola's film has so much more going on than, say, Bad Boys II, in actuality. So, I suppose that the choice we're making is not whether we like a movie or not, but whether we measure depth and entertainment in terms of eventfulness or reflection.



EDIT: I just read NW's post and see that mine's a bit redundant, following his...that's what I get for not paging through the entire thread before posting.
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PostPosted: 12.11.2004 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kadaver wrote:
AUGUST UNDERGROUND and the sequel MORDUM





Yeah, August Underground is up there for me, but I haven't seen Mordum yet.
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PostPosted: 12.12.2004 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a hold of August Underground and Mordum, but the balls I need to watch them are still on order. Actually, I watched the first five minutes of AU and shut it off. Shocked
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PostPosted: 12.12.2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original AU looks PG-13 when compared to its sequel MORDUM, which even surpasses DEVIL'S EXPERIMENT and FLOWER OF FLESH AND BLOOD in the shocking department. Although it isn't quite as effective as the original, I'd argue that there is quite a lot of substance lurking under its surface. It may seem to be simply shock for shock's sake, but this time around, there is an actual focus towards the characters, believe it or not. Not much disturbs me in film, but when done right, I feel goosebumps and start to feel physically sick. These films are: PYSCHO: SNUFF REELS (Fred Vogel was obviously inspired by this film); THE UNTOLD STORY (by the end of this film, I was unbelievably sick); IRREVERSIBLE (it is, like I said, a very important film); FUNNY GAMES (like Gaspar Noe's film, a powerful statement on violence); AFTERMATH (a short film by Nacho Cerda about what goes on at a morgue afterhours, Unearthed Films is releasing this in the near future); SCRAPBOOK and CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST are among other films that have highly disturbed me.



I haven't seen TWENTYNINE PALMS yet, but I've seen other Dumont films and were very impressed with them. As a matter of fact, HUMANITE is one of my favorite films of alltime... Highly recommended if you have not seen.
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PostPosted: 12.12.2004 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bunman: The Untold Story made me queasy, too. Yet it's a very good film, with a great performance by Anthony Wong. Although I can understand comparing Funny Games to Irreversible, I'd argue that Haneke is an infinitely more humanistic--and more thoughtful--artist than Noe.



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PostPosted: 12.12.2004 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really want to see Twentynine Palms, but it's unavailable for rent in my town. Confused I might just take a chance and pick it up sight unseen.
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PostPosted: 12.12.2004 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noe's and Haneke's approaches towards violence vs cinema are different from each other, but the reason why I chose to compare the two films was how they have their unique ways of implicating the viewer into the action. One of the teenagers in FUNNY GAMES often talks to us, shot in a close-up. During the rape scene in IRREVERSIBLE, a man appears at the end of the tunnel... Etc.



I'd also like to recommend THE LAST HORROR MOVIE, which I saw earlier this year. It involves us much differently than the aforementioned films, and watching it at home will be even more effective than in theaters. I've been wanting to pick it up. I hear that Fangoria released it on DVD, but I went to Bestbuy and Suncoast and neither of them carry it for some odd reason. What's going on here? Does anyone know if it is available or it got delayed? It came out the 7th.
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PostPosted: 12.12.2004 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kadaver wrote:
THE LAST HORROR MOVIE [...] I went to Bestbuy and Suncoast and neither of them carry it for some odd reason. What's going on here? Does anyone know if it is available or it got delayed? It came out the 7th.




If all else fails it's available at Amazon.com. Here's a link to the page if you're interested.
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PostPosted: 12.12.2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I'm probably going to do that, since I can't find it anywhere.
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