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beltmann
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PostPosted: 07.13.2005 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael B. Scrutchin wrote:
Yeah, the English dubbing was kinda bothersome, but the Italian-language version would be dubbed, too, right? Most Italian films of the time were shot silent and later dubbed into different languages for different markets. Perhaps the Italian-dubbed version would be better, though, since most of the actors would be voicing themselves -- but, still, some of the Italian dubbing on Fellini pictures tends to bug me.


Well, I finally finished watching The Conformist. The poor dubbing was irritating, yes, but maybe TCM could only get their hands on this print and not one with the original Italian (which, as you pointed out, was probably itself dubbed.) Far more baffling was the scene broadcast without any sound at all! Did you catch this Michael? It was the entire pre-marriage party scene. At first I thought it was a stylistic choice--after all, the movie is nothing if not stylish--but as it continued it became obvious that it was not intentional.



I found this comment from Storaro over at IMDb: "Most of my early films were never released around the world. One exception is The Conformist, which is probably the early movie everyone knows best. There was one tape made a long time ago, but it was very bad. Paramount re-did it with (colorist) Lou Levinson working with me on the transfer. That was five or six years ago. It was a wonderful gift because it includes a sequence that was cut out of the original picture. It?s the sequence where the protagonist is going to be married. His blind friends make a little party for him. We lit this sequence with Chinese lanterns using different colors in an incredible, almost grotesque, but very dramatic way. At that time, we were using the Technicolor dye transfer system and that sequence was cut only in the matrixes. When we were re-mastering the pictures for Paramount, we discovered the original negative for the sequence was still alive. It was six to nine minutes long. I called Bertolucci and he was very happy that we were doing that. The problem was that sequence was never dubbed in English. I suggested to Garrett Smith (at Paramount) that we just use subtitles. We did a beautiful transfer but it still hasn?t been released. Maybe it will happen someday in DVD."



That probably explains the silent scene. TCM must have opted to include it even though no dubbing for it exists, and I suppose that's better than not having it at all.



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PostPosted: 07.19.2005 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael B. Scrutchin wrote:
Vittorio Storaro's cinematography is amazing -- an astonishing use of light, shadow, and color.




Storario is a genius; I thoroughly enjoyed Exorcist: The Beginning, and 95% of that was because of the fantastic way it looked.



I'm not much of an authority on this (I known what I like, etc etc), but here would be my nominations:



Manhunter.

Avalon.

Evil Dead Trap.

Tenebrae.

Vidocq.



There are others, but those are the main ones that make me drool. Wink
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PostPosted: 07.19.2005 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Harper wrote:
Storario is a genius; I thoroughly enjoyed Exorcist: The Beginning, and 95% of that was because of the fantastic way it looked.


Although I intensely disliked Harlin's Exorcist, I did enjoy the cinematography immensely; a few choice images, all courtesy of Storaro, are probably all that will linger from that movie. I especially liked how he photographed Skarsgard's face.



Jim Harper wrote:
here would be my nominations:

Avalon.



The Levinson picture? If so, I second that nomination. That's one of the most beautiful--and underrated--movies of the Nineties, in my view.



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PostPosted: 07.19.2005 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
The Levinson picture? If so, I second that nomination. That's one of the most beautiful--and underrated--movies of the Nineties, in my view.



Eric




No, I've not seen that one. My Avalon is the Japanese-Polish live-action feature directed by Mamoru Oshii (Ghost in the Shell). Much of the film takes place in different levels of virtual reality game. Grzegorz Kedzierski and Oshii create a wonderful look for the in-game and out-game moments. Not an entirely successful film, but very, very good nonetheless.
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PostPosted: 08.02.2005 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to say Gregg Toland and Wells for Citizen Kane. Plus I have a Special Place for The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, great cinematography.
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PostPosted: 08.04.2005 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heyzeus321 wrote:
I'd have to say Gregg Toland and Wells for Citizen Kane.


I've heard good things about this one.
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PostPosted: 08.09.2005 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone ever seen Red Shoes?
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PostPosted: 08.09.2005 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep. Not my favorite Powell, but stunning colors.
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