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beltmann
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PostPosted: 02.18.2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:
But The Evil Dead is, without doubt, influential and groundbreaking; furthermore, I don't think it's any more flawed, by contemporary standards, that Murnau's Nosferatu.


That point is worth repeating. I'm not sure I'd defend Evil Dead so vehemently, but your logic is profoundly sound: There's much more to appreciation than weighing flaws against virtues. The Murnau analogy is perfect.

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PostPosted: 02.18.2004 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 25th Hour - pro

The Apartment - pro - perhaps leaning PRO

Batman Returns - con, but looks better when placed against the later sequels

Chinatown - PRO - one of the greatest pictures ever made

City Lights - PRO

Do the Right Thing - pro

Duck Soup - pro

The Elephant Man - pro

The Evil Dead - hmm

The Evil Dead II - hmm - I actually prefer the first one

The Fast and the Furious - hmm

Forrest Gump - hmm

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - CON

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - pro

The Man With The Golden Gun - con

The Magnificent Ambersons - pro - but should watch again

Monsters Inc - pro - I cried too, Matt

Mulholland Dr. - pro - my favorite Lynch

Nosferatu (1922) - pro - too much "and then," I think

Pi - hmm - perhaps I'm leaning pro

Robocop - pro - great sci-fi action/social commentary

Shrek - hmm - I like it less as time passes

Signs - pro - forgive the corny hoohah; Shyamalan is a natural

Star Wars: A New Hope - hmm - absolutely adored it as a child, but I'm not a kid anymore

Torque - n/a

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - pro - although I never loved it as kid

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The Third M?n
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PostPosted: 02.19.2004 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:


Chinatown - PRO - one of the greatest pictures ever made



Indeed, it is.
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PostPosted: 02.19.2004 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
The 25th Hour - pro



What did you think of the "fuck you" scene?

beltmann wrote:
Batman Returns - con, but looks better when placed against the later sequels



I think the film is equally good as the original, although it may just be me.

beltmann wrote:


Star Wars: A New Hope - hmm - absolutely adored it as a child, but I'm not a kid anymore



Same here. I'm beginning to think that the Star Wars original trilogy is rather overrated; I can understand all the revolutionary baulderdash that they speak of -- the visual effects, the lightsabre fights, John Williams' theme and whatnot -- but cinematically speaking, and from a nowadays' viewpoint, the film is above average, but that's about it. It's pure escapism and nothing more, yes, but as such I don't think it should be regarded as a masterpiece. I, too, loved it as a kid, but my feelings toward it have changed. The Empire Strikes Back is the only truly great film in the series, in my opinion. And let's please not delve into the prequels.

beltmann wrote:
Shrek - hmm - I like it less as time passes



Why? I've seen it countless times and still love it. Just wondering.

beltmann wrote:


Monsters Inc - pro - I cried too, Matt



I hope your irony is at use here. Otherwise your unpredictability is really starting to kick in, Eric.


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PostPosted: 02.19.2004 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Third M?n wrote:
What did you think of the "fcuk you" scene?


I think that's actually the most powerful scene in the film.
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PostPosted: 02.19.2004 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny Baldwin wrote:


I think that's actually the most powerful scene in the film.


I tend to agree. It's very controversial, too, and somewhat offensive. But it has a point. Did you love the ending? 'Cos I certainly did.
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PostPosted: 02.19.2004 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First List

8 1/2 - PRO

Apocalypse Now - n/a

L'Avventura - CON

Big Fish - n/a

Brief Encounter - n/a

Commando - n/a

The Conversation - n/a

Fight Club - con

The Goonies - CON

Lawrence of Arabia - n/a

A Night at the Opera - n/a

Punch-Drunk Love - PRO

Raging Bull - pro

Rashomon - PRO

A Short Film About Killing - n/a

Silence of the Lambs - pro

The Sixth Sense - pro

Sleepy Hollow - con

Solaris (2002) - n/a

Stalker - n/a

Touch of Evil - n/a

Underground - n/a

Vertigo - PRO

Week-End - n/a

Wild Strawberries - hmm
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PostPosted: 02.19.2004 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin, I just put your votes on the database [see page 1]. Nice to see you here, by the way -- did you follow my link?
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PostPosted: 02.19.2004 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Third M?n wrote:
beltmann wrote:
Shrek - hmm - I like it less as time passes



Why? I've seen it countless times and still love it. Just wondering.


I wasn't crazy about it to begin with, and repeated viewings have only confirmed my suspicions. It coasts by on some fairly uneven satire, and completely loses me in the second half. My review elaborates somewhat. I use no irony or sarcasm when I say that, for me, Monsters Inc. is a much more likable, resonant picture.

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PostPosted: 02.20.2004 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
I'm not sure I'd defend Evil Dead so vehemently [...]


Heh heh. Don't have much choice when someone challenges "Back up your opinion or you shall feel my wrath, boy." Wink
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PostPosted: 02.20.2004 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgot to do this.

The 25th Hour - PRO

Batman Returns - con

Chinatown - PRO

City Lights - PRO

Do the Right Thing - pro

Duck Soup - pro

The Evil Dead - pro

The Evil Dead II - pro

The Fast and the Furious - pro

Forrest Gump - PRO

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - con

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - PRO

The Man With The Golden Gun - hmmm

Monsters Inc - hmmm

Mulholland Dr. - PRO

Pi - pro

Shrek - PRO

Signs - PRO

Star Wars: A New Hope - PRO

Torque - con

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - PRO
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PostPosted: 02.20.2004 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Third M?n wrote:
It's very controversial, too, and somewhat offensive. But it has a point. Did you love the ending? 'Cos I certainly did.


I can't understand why the mirror scene in 25th Hour is considered controversial. Norton's character says inflammatory things, yes, but he doesn't speak for Lee or for the film--it's a scene that reveals details specific to one character. We're not asked to share his sentiments. I also wouldn't call it offensive, precisely because it has a point.

To answer your question, Mr. Lime, I think the scene works just fine, but it isn't my favorite in the picture. It strikes me as a tad schematic, a little too ostentatious. Just a tad, though.

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PostPosted: 02.20.2004 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favorite scene in The 25th Hour is probably the closing montage, a heartbreakingly sad pipe dream; or perhaps the opening credits, which achieves great melancholy simply through Terence Blanchard's score and some abstract, but instantly recognizable, imagery; or Jacob and Frank's discussion next to the window as the 9/11 graveyard looms in the background, a haunting analogy between physical and emotional destruction. Basically, it's a great film - that was one of my favorites of 2002.
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PostPosted: 02.20.2004 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt header wrote:
My favorite scene in The 25th Hour is probably the closing montage, a heartbreakingly sad pipe dream; or perhaps the opening credits, which achieves great melancholy simply through Terence Blanchard's score and some abstract, but instantly recognizable, imagery; or Jacob and Frank's discussion next to the window as the 9/11 graveyard looms in the background, a haunting analogy between physical and emotional destruction. Basically, it's a great film - that was one of my favorites of 2002.


It's my 5th favourite of that year -- and matt, you just mentioned my three very favourite scenes from that film. We must be soul mates or something.
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PostPosted: 02.20.2004 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:


I can't understand why the mirror scene in 25th Hour is considered controversial. Norton's character says inflammatory things, yes, but he doesn't speak for Lee or for the film--it's a scene that reveals details specific to one character. We're not asked to share his sentiments. I also wouldn't call it offensive, precisely because it has a point.


I do understand the controversy over that scene; only that it's not very reasonable. Some people may have thought that what Norton's character said was Lee's ideas, i.e. he thought everything that came out of his mouth, etc. However, this is not logical given that he insults the black people and whatnot; and that's not exactly what Lee thinks. Right? Yeah...

I agree with you, all in all.

beltmann wrote:


To answer your question, Mr. Lime, I think the scene works just fine, but it isn't my favorite in the picture. It strikes me as a tad schematic, a little too ostentatious. Just a tad, though.



Explain.
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