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ArnaldoLerma
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PostPosted: 07.12.2003 10:16 pm    Post subject: Would TOM CRUISE Please stop hawking Scientology!!!! Reply with quote

Scientology is like a 19th century seedy carnival side show, whenever someone in the audience would yell out how the trick was done, he would be dragged outside by a couple of toughs stationed there for this purpose, and beaten up. Scientology’s demeanor is identical to this, only in the ‘civil’ 20th century they use lawyers, then the entire sordid affair is cloaked in bogus religiosity. P T Barnum, the father of the circus, would be proud.

LINKED version

is here: http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard3.htm

If scientology were an auto manufacturer

They would build huge, impressive manufacturing facilities.

They would train people for years and years on how to build their cars.

The training would be rigorous and demanding.

They would sell expensive courses on how to drive the new car.

They would award pretty, impressive, golden certificates of completion of the various courses in how to drive or build their car.

Anyone completing any step of the driving, or operation or maintenance training for the new cars would always be asked to write a "success story" which was printed in the glossy brochures touting the new car.

Those waiting for their cars were persuaded that the fate of the world would hinge upon building their cars.

They would open lots of sales offices all over the world to sell their wonderful cars.

They would publish detailed long and lengthy manuals about how the car was built.

When activists posted these manuals anonymously, They would say they were forgeries.

When activists tried to publish portions of these manuals, to authenticate them as being the real deal, and to show you how silly they were, they would be sued with Trade secret and copyright claims.

They would take advance deposits for delivery of their cars.

They would show you glitzy pictures of their cars

They would have mass meetings of their car buyers

Anyone that doubted that they were "really" making cars would be expelled.

Families would be broken up when one would try and explain these facts to the other.

Everyone waiting for their car eventually died, many who perhaps would not wait, died under mysterious circumstance.

Those seeking to litigate because they didn't get a car were 'ruined utterly if possible' by a roomful of lawyers and/or silence by gag agreement and an army of sometimes sleazy private investigators.

Anyone warning the public that they never deliver cars would be silenced.

They would organize those that had ordered their cars into pressure groups, to sell more cars to targeted market segments.

When the government tried to expose the car manufacturer, they would re-organize their sales offices into a Religion of Car Buyers. Claiming there was a constitutional right for folks to believe their cars were going to be delivered.

Anyone trying to publicize any of the points in this article would be "de-popularized" or "dead agented" or framed for crimes to discredit them.

Groups and Indviduals that sprang up to expose this fraud would be infiltrated and set to bickering with each other.

When web pages sprang up all over the Internet exposing this fraud those waiting for their cars were told that "it's all lies"

including THIS message.

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A selection from Chapter 13 of Eric Hoffer's 9The True Believer:

" "Things which are not" are indeed mightier than "things that are." 10 In all ages men have fought most desperately for beautiful cities yet to be built and gardens yet to be planted. Satan did not digress to tell all he knew when he said: "All that a man hath will he give for his life." 11All he hath - yes. But he sooner dies than yield aught12 of that which he hath not yet. "

9: Eric Hoffer's The True Believer was published in 1951, President Dwight Eisenhower told his associates to read it, and I'm telling YOU to read it

10 I Corinthians 1:28

11 Job 2:4

12 Aught is a Middle English word for "Anything" as used by Shakespeare

Sincerely

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PostPosted: 07.18.2003 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scientology is no less legitimate, has no less claim to truth and no more alterior motives than any other religion. It's all snake oil.
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PostPosted: 07.18.2003 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:
...religion. It's all snake oil.


Perhaps, but I think there is a significant distinction between organized "religion" and the act of faith. Too often those are confused by those who are appalled by the human corruption inherent in religion.

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PostPosted: 07.18.2003 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't want to get into a debate, but it seems to me that faith is reliant on religion. After all, one must be told to have faith, and what to have faith in, before it is even an option.
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PostPosted: 07.18.2003 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scientology was so blatantly contrived as a money making scam,

http://www.lermanet.com/cos/lerma.html by a man who was held by a federal judge to be a pathological liar:

"The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and achievements. The writings and documents in evidence additionally reflect his egoism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or hostile." -- Judge Paul G. Breckenridge, Jr., 6/20/84 (Scientology v. Armstrong, affirmed on appeal 232 Cal.App.3rd 1060, 283 Cal.Rptr. 917.)"

http://www.lermanet.com/cos/morejud.html



Above: L Ron Hubbard, who was convicted of fraud in France in 1978

Analysis with evidenciary documents showing the extent of Hubbard's lies are here: http://www.lermanet.com/shannon/ and others here

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/cos/LRH-bio/

The current leader of this lord of the flies cult for misfits was described by JFK Jr after an interview as "What a nasty piece of work" is David Miscavige. You can read about him here:



David Miscavige

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/sptimes/spt-manbehind2.html

Don't miss the inside story of his dad's adventures in Philadelphia

at the link at the bottom of that page.

Now, go ahead, call this monstrosity a religion and I'll know you are a scientologist, or a fool. See page on scientology's "Religious Cloaking Device"

http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard2.htm
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PostPosted: 07.18.2003 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:
It seems to me that faith is reliant on religion. After all, one must be told to have faith, and what to have faith in, before it is even an option.


I guess it's a "chicken or the egg" situation. I've always felt that religion followed faith, as an organized attempt by humans to regulate and/or corrupt personal notions of faith that spring from personal investigations of history, science, scripture, whatever. I don't think genuine faith is reliant on religion at all. The difficult trick is to avoid the pitfalls that religion presents faith. Indeed, organized religion often is the "opium of the masses," a crutch for those looking for simplistic answers. Yet one could also argue that disbelief is as much of a crutch. Certainly some people fall back on disbelief as easily as some blindingly accept their Sunday School lessons?

Changing the subject... It would be equally easy to poke holes in many religions/movements other than Scientology. Can I ask why, ArnaldoLerma, this particular one has been the focus of your crusade? Just curious.

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PostPosted: 07.18.2003 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
Yet one could also argue that disbelief is as much of a crutch. Certainly some people fall back on disbelief as easily as some blindingly accept their Sunday School lessons?



Erm... I'm not so sure about that. How does one fall back on disbelief, or use it as a crutch? Disbelief is a default state. In other words, you have to have something to fall back on or use as a crutch. Lacking that something simply means it doesn't exist for you.
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PostPosted: 07.18.2003 5:29 pm    Post subject: reply to nightwatchman Reply with quote

There are a lot of things that are not right in this world.

Scientology is not the biggest problem facing mankind.

However,

It is one that I feel I can do somthing about, merely by infoming people.

Now this flies in the face of Scientology's relentless quest for silence.

Now, I was 17 when i fell for Hubbard's lies



http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard.htm

There was no Net back then.... or web...

Like that poster on the closet door in Mulder's office (x-files),:

"I wanted to believe... "

in some thing that would help mankind.

If my efforts keep just ONE gifted kid from wasting his life in pursuit of a madman's moneymaking scam.

Then I'll feel like I helped make this a world just a little better.

Sincerly,

Arnie Lerma


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