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JoeE
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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 12:51 pm    Post subject: LIST GEEK IDEA: Believe it or not, I have not seen... Reply with quote

I was just looking at that AFI Top 100 list... oh, the shame... I have not seen:



Gone With the Wind

Mr Smith Goes to Washington

Birth of a Nation

Key Largo

Singin' in the Rain (and just about every other musical made in the 20th century)

Sunset Boulevard

The Third Man

Ben Hur

Patton

The Jazz Singer

The Apartment



and even more regretably:



Persona

The Rules of the Game

Throne of Blood

Shock Corridor
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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't feel bad, I have also not seen many films from the AFI Top 100. Joe, I highly recommend Key Largo, Sunset Boulevard, and Throne of Blood. All three are personal favorites. The Jazz Singer...an interesting curio, but a horrible film, you're not missing anything.



From the AFI list, I haven't seen:



4. GONE WITH THE WIND (1939)

5. LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962)

7. THE GRADUATE (1967)

16. ALL ABOUT EVE (1950)

29. MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON (1939)

35. IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934)

36. MIDNIGHT COWBOY (1969)

37. THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES (1946)

41. WEST SIDE STORY (1961)

44. THE BIRTH OF A NATION (1915) - But I managed to write a 3-page research paper on it

45. A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE (1951)

50. BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (1969)

52. FROM HERE TO ETERNITY (1953)

54. ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930) - Own, but have not watched

56. M*A*S*H (1970)

63. STAGECOACH (1939)

64. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977)

66. NETWORK (1976)

68. AN AMERICAN IN PARIS (1951)

70. THE FRENCH CONNECTION (1971)

72. BEN-HUR (1959)

73. WUTHERING HEIGHTS (1939)

82. GIANT (1956)

86. MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (1935) - Own, but have not watched

88. EASY RIDER (1969)

92. A PLACE IN THE SUN (1951)

93. THE APARTMENT (1960)

99. GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER (1967)



I can't believe Dances With Wolves and Tootsie are on the list, but Night of the Hunter and Sunrise AREN'T.
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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, The Graduate and Lawrence of Arabia? I can't imagine having not seen them. Those are big ones. Shocked



I didn't really like Midnight Cowboy, but you should probably see it just for film history's sake.



See Network, so you'll get it when people reference the, " ... and I'm not going to take it anymore" line. Wink
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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When that list first came out, I made it a prerogative to see each and every one, which I have. Now, I find myself wondering, Why? It's a nice guide, but Roger Ebert was extremely accurate when he called it a list made by middle-aged white wealthy Americans. Where's Buster Keaton? Spike Lee? Douglas Sirk? Preston Sturges? And, if we're really daring, Stan Brakhage? Of course some of them on the list are masterpieces, but my view of that compilation has faded quickly since its release.



That said, I remember feeling a great sense of joy after watching the last film on there that I hadn't seen (it was Mutiny on the Bounty).
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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeE wrote:
Wow, The Graduate and Lawrence of Arabia? I can't imagine having not seen them. Those are big ones. Shocked



I didn't really like Midnight Cowboy, but you should probably see it just for film history's sake.



See Network, so you'll get it when people reference the, " ... and I'm not going to take it anymore" line. Wink




Granted i'm only 17 years old. These are the films on the AFI list high on my "too-see" list:



Midnight Cowboy

Lawrence of Arabia

Gone With the Wind

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

It Happened One Night

All Quiet on the Western Front

Mutiny on the Bounty

Ben-Hur

Stagecoach



These will be seen in 2004...
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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt header wrote:
When that list first came out, I made it a prerogative to see each and every one, which I have. Now, I find myself wondering, Why?... Of course some of them on the list are masterpieces, but my view of that compilation has faded quickly since its release.


Exactly. When I was 17 I made it a point to see every Best Picture winner, which was perhaps useful in better understanding the art form's history, but not particularly useful in catching the truly important works. I stopped taking such lists seriously--as well as the Oscars--many years ago. A while back I revisted the AFI list and there were a handful I hadn't yet seen. I'll double-check and report back later.



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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't let my mention of the AFI list indicate that I give it much merit, either. I was merely looking at it recently and was amazed at how many "historically significant" movies I haven't made a point to see.
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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone please explain to me why a movie that extols racism so highly, "The Birth of a Nation", can be considered top 100 material? Is it merely because it was successful?
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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Birth of a Nation was extremely influential historically: it basically introduced cross-cutting, multiple-narrative storytelling, and many other innovations that D.W. Griffith mostly perfected. Personally, I can't stand the film, as fascinating as it is as a cultural document; it's brilliant as a piece of historic film, but nonetheless, its mention makes me cringe. (And there are several far superior Griffith films.)



Its inclusion, though, signifies the importance of the AFI list -- as a collection of important historical film events, as Joe E said. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, for example, is not a masterpiece (and where the hell are any other Hepburn/Tracy pairings?!), but it was an important breakthrough as far as the race barrier is concerned.
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PostPosted: 04.28.2004 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt header wrote:
Birth of a Nation was extremely influential historically: it basically introduced cross-cutting, multiple-narrative storytelling, and many other innovations that D.W. Griffith mostly perfected. Personally, I can't stand the film, as fascinating as it is as a cultural document; it's brilliant as a piece of historic film, but nonetheless, its mention makes me cringe. (And there are several far superior Griffith films.)



Its inclusion, though, signifies the importance of the AFI list -- as a collection of important historical film events, as Joe E said. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, for example, is not a masterpiece (and where the hell are any other Hepburn/Tracy pairings?!), but it was an important breakthrough as far as the race barrier is concerned.




Spike Lee told me not to see it. Wink Laughing



I'll get to Birth of a Nation one of these days, but I don't plan to this year, atleast.
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PostPosted: 05.06.2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
A while back I revisted the AFI list and there were a handful I hadn't yet seen. I'll double-check and report back later.


I was wrong. I just checked and I've seen them all. Man, that list must be read while pinching your nose. Sheesh.



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PostPosted: 05.06.2004 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: LIST GEEK IDEA: Believe it or not, I have not seen... Reply with quote

JoeE wrote:
and even more regretably:



Persona

The Rules of the Game

Throne of Blood

Shock Corridor


All great, of course, and I'm happy to see Shock Corridor listed. It's my favorite Fuller picture. I think it's simultaneously intense and hilarious.



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PostPosted: 05.06.2004 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I havent seen:



17: The African Queen (1951)

30: Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)

38: Double Indemnity (1944

45: A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)

52: From Here to Eternity (1953)

54: All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)

75: Dances with Wolves (1990)

76: City Lights (1931)

80: The Wild Bunch (1969)

92: A Place in the Sun (1951)

95: Pulp Fiction (1994)

96: The Searchers (1956)

100: Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)



That's 13. Some more embarrassing than others.
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PostPosted: 07.25.2004 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some on my list are more embarassing than the others... My to-see list looks sumthin like this:



THE ADVENTURES OF PRINCE ACHMED (Lotte Reiniger, 1926)

THE CAMERAMAN'S REVENGE (Ladislaw Starewicz, 1912)

LES VAMPIRES (Louis Feuillade, 1915)

THE BLUE ANGEL (Josef von Sternberg, 1930)

LE MILLION (Rene Clair, 1931)

SISTERS (Brian De Palma, 1973)

YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE (Fritz Lang, 1937)

ONLY ANGELS HAVE WINGS (Howard Hawks, 1939)

WOMAN IN THE WINDOW (Fritz Lang, 1945)

WHILE THE CITY SLEEPS (Fritz Lang, 1956)

LOVE IN THE AFTERNOON (Billy Wilder, 1957)

MIRACLE IN MILAN (Vittorio De Sica, 1951)

THE BURMESE HARP (Kon Ichikawa, 1956)

THE HUMAN CONDITION I & II (Masaki Kobayashi, 1959)

THE HUMAN CONDITION III (Masaki Kobayashi, 1961)

AMERICAN GRAFFITI (George Lucas, 1973)

ODD MAN OUT (Carol Reed, 1947)

THE RED SHOES (Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger, 1948)

THE PIRATE (Vincent Minnelli, 1948)

LESSONS OF DARKNESS (Werner Herzog, 1992)

PATHER PANCHALI (Satyajit Ray, 1955)

THE EXPEDITION (Satyajit Ray, 1962)

THE MUSIC ROOM (Satyajit Ray, 1958)

THE WORLD OF APU (Satyajit Ray, 1959)

CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT (Orson Welles, 1965)

LETTER FROM AN UNKNOWN WOMAN (Max Ophuls, 1948)

WIND ACROSS THE EVERGLADES (Nicholas Ray, 1958)

BIGGER THAN LIFE (Nicholas Ray, 1956)

ON DANGEROUS GROUND (Nicholas Ray, 1951)

CLEA FROM 5 to 7 (Agnes Varda, 1961)

HARAKIRI (Masaki Kobayashi, 1962)

BODY HEAT (Lawrence Kasdan, 1984)

EASY RIDER (Dennis Hopper, 1969)

AFTERMATH (Nacho Cerda, 1993)

BEGOTTEN (E. Elias Merhige, 1991)

TAKING OFF (Milos Forman, 1971)

GOOD NEWS (Charles Walters, 1947)

THE BATTLE OF ALGIERS (Gillo Pontecorvo, 1965)

NAUSICAA, VALLEY OF THE WIND (Hayao Miyazaki, 1984)

RIO DAS MORTES (Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1971)

EFFI BRIEST (Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1974)

PIONEERS IN INGOLSTADT (Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1971)

IN THE YEAR OF 13 MOONS (Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1978)

BEWARE OF A HOLY WHORE (Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1971)

THE STORY OF THE LAST CHRYSANTHEMUM (Kenji Mizoguchi, 1939)
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