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Any pick up the Irreversible DVD yet?
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Michael Scrutchin
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PostPosted: 08.07.2003 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All I know is: Alex never should have been down in that underpass/corridor. She brought it upon herself. She has noone but herself to blame...


Yes, blame the victim. It's always the woman's fault. I completely agree.

[I'm really struggling to resist the urge to to ban you right now for saying that.]
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PostPosted: 08.07.2003 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too was appalled, Michael. Good call.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, JoeE you're getting on my nerves too--and that Talk To Her comment was stupid, too.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sorry that you did not understand the (twisted) humor in what I said. I was merely making a statement that was intended to be obviously ignorant and typical of a certain low-life point of view. Myself, and many people I know, find irony to be the basis of a certain kind of comedy.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am sorry that you did not understand the (twisted) humor in what I said.


I'm sorry that your sense of humor doesn't work.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, and what's with that Kurosawa comment?!

Wink Kiddin'.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that you care, but I'm neurotic so let me explain the Kurosawa signature and then I will stop trying to be funny forever...

I appreciate AK films for all the right reasons, but I haven't particularly enjoyed more than a few. This is so blasphemous and contrary to how "film buff types" are supposed to feel that a friend of mine equated it to admitting you are an alcoholic: It takes guts to come out and say it. The "My name is... " line comes from that. Oh, well. We thought is was funny...

Indedentally, I'm not a newbie. I was the 7th or 8th registered member in the old forum (as Jango70). I still visit here because I find it to be one of the most thoughtful (and accurate) film sites on the net.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like my humor's not working either.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeE wrote:
I appreciate AK films for all the right reasons, but I haven't particularly enjoyed more than a few. This is so blasphemous and contrary to how "film buff types" are supposed to feel that a friend of mine equated it to admitting you are an alcoholic


I like your description of how certain attitudes are considered "blasphemous" by many film students, because that word choice connects their fascism to a blind, nearly-religious hero worship.

I don't believe that Kurosawa worship is integral to your film passion. For me, Godard and Kubrick are not the heroic masters most proclaim, and I don't consider that "blasphemous." There's room for intelligent debate regarding every artist, and the shallow notion that some are untouchable reeks of elitism, arrogance, and a childish view of an art form.

I'd argue that there are no sacred cows, and there is no model for what a true "film buff type" looks like. Imposing a canon--and forcing the admiration of certain directors as a litmus test--seems contrary to everything I believe about the function of criticism.

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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeE wrote:
Indedentally, I'm not a newbie. I was the 7th or 8th registered member in the old forum (as Jango70). I still visit here because I find it to be one of the most thoughtful (and accurate) film sites on the net.


Okay, we're cool now. Smile

Your "she brought it upon herself" comment just tipped me over the edge. How were any of us to know that it was simply a failed attempt at humor? Recently, a poster on another message board I visit said something along those lines, but he wasn't joking. Needless to say, he was ruthlessly attacked by every decent person in that forum.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, I really like Godard's camer work and sense of screen composition, but the movies themselves, well, eh. I've only seen a handful yet, though, so maybe after I'm more familiar with his work they'll begin to resonate with me.
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just another reminder that irony/sarcasm usually does not get across well in text... apologies to those offended.

Yes, Godard is another director whos work I watch as a kind of "homework" but have never really enjoyed on the whole. He broke the rules of film making at the time and helped create a new cinematic vocabulary (which, in my opinion, is still echoing today) but I prefer Truffaut films of the same era much more. An important director who also made very watchable movies!

* Haven't seen Weekend or Alphaville, so perhaps my mind will change...
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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But of course Godard and Truffaut had completely different goals; I'm not sure it's fair to compare them. Truffaut was clearly much more interested in rewarding a general audience, while Godard was--and still is--compelled to confront and challenge audiences, especially in terms of what movies can do.

Forced to choose, I suppose I would prefer to spend time with Truffaut (Shoot the Piano Player ranks among the most enjoyable movies ever made), but that choice is probably made on pleasure-seeking grounds rather than intellectual ones. In terms of form and experimentation, I find Godard's Le Petit Soldat and Les Carabiniers more fulfilling than anything Truffaut ever produced. And of course Band of Outsiders is a masterpiece, both in terms of form and pure entertainment. My problem with Godard is his inconsistency, and also his frequent glibness--I think In Praise of Love may be the most unwatchable film of the year, and I've seen Gigli.

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PostPosted: 08.08.2003 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think In Praise of Love may be the most unwatchable film of the year, and I've seen Gigli.


Interesting. I need to see it again because I was so frustrated by it the first time, but I at least enjoyed its visual scheme, which was brilliant in its own way.
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I think In Praise of Love may be the most unwatchable film of the year, and I've seen Gigli.


At the risk of taking this thread further out on a tangent from which it will never return, I didn't think "Gigli" was quite as bad as everyone seems to insist it is. For me, it's like "Last Action Hero" or "Hudson Hawk," two other movie whose terrible reputations don't live up to (or down to) the actual quality of the movie itself. Now, I'm not defending any of these flicks as "good," and I can understand how many might not like them (although I actually like both LAH and HH), but I can't comprehend the venom with which many despise them. "Ishtar" is another that comes to mind, thought I didn't care for it, I would probably only consider it mediocre at best. So what gives about "Gigli"? Are people less willing to forgive its flaws because it's a big budget movie, and because of the star power behind it?
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