Flipside Movie Emporium Forum Index Flipside Movie Emporium
Discussion Forums Locked & Archived for Browsing
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA says
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    Flipside Movie Emporium Forum Index -> Random Insanity
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
beltmann
Studio Exec


Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Posts: 2341
Location: West Bend, WI

PostPosted: 06.24.2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA says Reply with quote

Danny Baldwin wrote:
beltmann wrote:
Perhaps we have lost the notion of leading by example?


Perhaps we have lost the notion that time should not be wasted in trying to reform those who are already terrorists?


Quite a stretch in logic there, isn't it? Since when is expecting our troops to act in accordance with established POW guidelines--as opposed to behaving exactly like the enemy--akin to attempting to "reform" terrorists? There's no relationship at all between those two ideas.



Nations are not playgrounds, and the well-he-started-it! excuse does not justify inappropriate action. Simply put, if we do not lead by example, then we have zero moral authority on which to stand.



Eric
_________________
"When I was in Barcelona they showed pornography on regular television. I'm assuming it's the same way in Mexico since they also speak Spanish." - IMDb user comment
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Danny Baldwin
Studio Exec


Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Posts: 1354
Location: San Diego, CA

PostPosted: 06.24.2005 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA says Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
Danny Baldwin wrote:
beltmann wrote:
Perhaps we have lost the notion of leading by example?


Perhaps we have lost the notion that time should not be wasted in trying to reform those who are already terrorists?


Quite a stretch in logic there, isn't it? Since when is expecting our troops to act in accordance with established POW guidelines--as opposed to behaving exactly like the enemy--akin to attempting to "reform" terrorists? There's no relationship at all between those two ideas.


I'm saying that the basic principle which drives the don't lower yourself to their ground is because it is the reason others hate us. Or such is the left's rationale. They seem to think that, if we didn't, terrorists wouldn't be terrorists. What I'm saying is that, if they're already a terrorist, they won't change, no matter what we do to the prisoners to get information from them.
_________________
Danny Baldwin

View My Reviews
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
beltmann
Studio Exec


Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Posts: 2341
Location: West Bend, WI

PostPosted: 06.24.2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA says Reply with quote

I'm saying that we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level because our own national character is at stake. I'm all for punishing convicted terrorists, and I'm not particularly interested in trying to "reform" them.



Eric
_________________
"When I was in Barcelona they showed pornography on regular television. I'm assuming it's the same way in Mexico since they also speak Spanish." - IMDb user comment
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Danny Baldwin
Studio Exec


Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Posts: 1354
Location: San Diego, CA

PostPosted: 06.24.2005 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA says Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
I'm saying that we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level because our own national character is at stake. I'm all for punishing convicted terrorists, and I'm not particularly interested in trying to "reform" them.


Well, that's far more agreeable than what I thought you were saying.
_________________
Danny Baldwin

View My Reviews
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
xAndyx
Director


Joined: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 207
Location: Platteville, WI

PostPosted: 06.25.2005 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have already given up hope that it is possible to change the mind set of these people than why even fight the war against them? It is obvious that there will always be terrorism, and if you think their is no way to stop these people from thinking with such hostility towards us, then why even make an effort to liberate the area. People with your loss of hope would probably be much better off just saying "Well, there's nothing we can do so why not just nuke the whole area".
_________________
One day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, you will repent, and we will send you to whatever god you wish.



-The Boondock Saints
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Danny Baldwin
Studio Exec


Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Posts: 1354
Location: San Diego, CA

PostPosted: 06.25.2005 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xAndyx wrote:
If you have already given up hope that it is possible to change the mind set of these people than why even fight the war against them? It is obvious that there will always be terrorism, and if you think their is no way to stop these people from thinking with such hostility towards us, then why even make an effort to liberate the area.


I said that we cannot reform the terrorists, not the people.
_________________
Danny Baldwin

View My Reviews
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
xAndyx
Director


Joined: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 207
Location: Platteville, WI

PostPosted: 06.27.2005 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny Baldwin wrote:
We need to be leveling the cities in Iraq where the terrorists are. This will not only kill many of the breed of sub-humans, but send a message to others.




Oh, so you are finally coming to the conclusion that there is a difference between a terrorist and a civilian. A good step forward from your previous statements.
_________________
One day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, you will repent, and we will send you to whatever god you wish.



-The Boondock Saints
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Danny Baldwin
Studio Exec


Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Posts: 1354
Location: San Diego, CA

PostPosted: 06.27.2005 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xAndyx wrote:
Danny Baldwin wrote:
We need to be leveling the cities in Iraq where the terrorists are. This will not only kill many of the breed of sub-humans, but send a message to others.




Oh, so you are finally coming to the conclusion that there is a difference between a terrorist and a civilian. A good step forward from your previous statements.


Sometimes civilian sacrifice is necessary. My previous comments did not imply that everyone was a terrorists, but there are many locations with an overwhelming number of terrorists that can easily be targeted.
_________________
Danny Baldwin

View My Reviews
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    Flipside Movie Emporium Forum Index -> Random Insanity All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001-2007 phpBB Group