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Are you for or against vigilanteism?
I'm for it...the government's legal system isn't working.
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Completely against it. People could be wrong when they're just guessing who's doing wrong.
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PostPosted: 02.15.2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: THE BOONDOCK SAINTS Reply with quote

Needed: Your opinion on whether The Boondock Saints is pro- or anti- vigilanteism (Private citizen taking matters into their own hands.) Are you pro or anti?



Writing a paper in English Comp. (writing class) and I need some ideas flowing through my head.

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PostPosted: 02.15.2006 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your poll's phrasing assumes that the movie is indeed pro-vigilante, and doesn't leave room for an alternative view. In other words, the poll asks only for my position on vigilante justice in general, but doesn't ask about whether Boondock Saints promotes vigilante justice or not.
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PostPosted: 02.15.2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beltmann wrote:
Your poll's phrasing assumes that the movie is indeed pro-vigilante, and doesn't leave room for an alternative view. In other words, the poll asks only for my position on vigilante justice in general, but doesn't ask about whether Boondock Saints promotes vigilante justice or not.




Nor does it ask whether or not I find any of the pro- or anti-vigilante arguments that Boondock Saints hypothetically makes compelling. If, for example, I believed that Boondock Saints IS pro-vigilante, then was it also convincing enough in its arguments to oblige me to purchase that high-powered rifle and nightscope and begin to stalk through the darkness seeking out evil?



Personally, I can't say, cause I haven't seen Boondock Saints, and was probably going to do the other thing regardless.
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PostPosted: 02.15.2006 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Eric said, your poll is unclear. I, myself, am "anti-vigilante," unless the vigilante in question is noble like Spider-Man or Batman as portrayed by Christian Bale in Batman Begins, or if he or she shares the same values and moral philosophy as I do. The movie Boondock Saints, on the other hand, seems to be pro-vigilante, so long as the bad guys are so very bad that their violent deaths are sanctioned by the Catholic god.



Do we get to see your paper after you're done with it?
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PostPosted: 02.16.2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the movie is pro-vigilante...but what I think people miss is that its actual message is not within this argument. The actual message is simple; there is something wrong with the system we have currently controling crime. Cops get paid off, crooks walk free, and a lot of innocent men are instead thrown in jail. It is the same basic story so see in a movie such as Batman Begins or Spiderman except this film pushes the boundries to a more realistic character that would lily come out of the situation. Honestly, who is more likly to become a vigalante...a flying bat or an actual person sick of seeing their neighborhood corrupted? I think the movie rather raises the question of whether vigilantism is correct or not as opposed to making a judgement; as seen by the closing credit sequence. I am obviously far too smart of a person to do around killing those people I feel are evil, and with my faith I also do not see any murder as a "pure" one, but it does raise an interesting arguement... Is what we are currently doing working?
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PostPosted: 02.16.2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: English paper Reply with quote

Yes, I think I will post my paper when I am completely done with it. Granted, it's not JUST whether or not the movie or I am pro-/anti- vigilanteism. It's also a summary of the movie, which I highly recommend if you're into crime movies.

Well, thanks for your comments and ideas. I think I just completely changed the side I'm writing for. I'm not sure if I can do that though.

I'll let ya know.

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: 02.16.2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xAndyx wrote:
I think the movie rather raises the question of whether vigilantism is correct or not as opposed to making a judgement; as seen by the closing credit sequence.




I thought that was the question the movie was asking throughout the first two-thirds of its running time. However, I think a judgement is reached by the end, and that the movie wants to vindicate the actions of the "saints" in an absolutist sense. When I mentioned Spider-Man and Batman (and condoning vigilantism that adheres to my own moral values) I was being a bit facetious. But I think it is significant that both these characters, as portrayed in the most recent movies that feature them, work with law enforcement, rather that in spite of it.
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PostPosted: 02.16.2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more thing. I'm not sure I would classify The Boondock Saints as a more realistic movie than either Batman Begins or Spider-Man. The content and stylization of the violence is certainly on par with anything in the former, and the introduction of divine intervention into the storyline is, for me, as fantastical as Peter Parker's spider abilities.
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PostPosted: 02.16.2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the night watchman wrote:
I thought that was the question the movie was asking throughout the first two-thirds of its running time. However, I think a judgement is reached by the end, and that the movie wants to vindicate the actions of the "saints" in an absolutist sense.


I agree, and that vindication is largely telegraphed through the way their vigilante actions are photographed in such loving light, warm colors, and supple slo-mo; the compositions consistently augment the movie's condoning POV.



Andy, I understand your argument that the movie is less about vigilantism than about social frustration, but I think that argument requires us to ignore how clearly the movie's visual style does indeed embrace a specific, laudatory POV. At best, the movie has a confused, contradictory perspective.
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PostPosted: 02.17.2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The true question is whether these acts are justified. My heart tells me no. Inside as a christian I know that I have nowhere near the judgement to decide whether a man lives or dies, but the thought of someone else doing it leaves me knowing it is wrong, but not at the point that I'd want to do anything about it. I wouldn't make a social outcry to stop the killing of gangsters, murderers, and and other violent criminals who live their lives to destroy those of others.



I'll give you that the visual style and overal tone of the film do probably promote the idea, but I think it does so to get the viewer to look into the situation who normally would just sit down and let society be run the way it is, when it obviously isn't working.



While some people might say this will prompt violence and even murder, which it may to the already unstable, I argue it simply says that people need to take a stand and not let these acts take place. We don't have to go out and whipe out the mafia, but obviously there is something wrong with our justice system.



I know I am probably way off base here, and you all think I am young and stupid...but meh...it makes for convorsation.
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PostPosted: 02.22.2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Great! Thanks for all of your replies. Smile I will make sure I keep them in mind while writing my paper. And...I'm not seeing how my poll suggests the movie is pro-vigilanteism. But, thanks anyway.
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PostPosted: 02.23.2006 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea...we kinda avoided the question at hand there Razz
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PostPosted: 02.23.2006 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"My initial reaction is 'no,' but I'm getting a 'yessy' aftertaste."



"Well, a part of me loves it. But then there's this other part of me that hates the first part of me for loving it, because the second part of me... hates it."



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PostPosted: 03.16.2006 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xAndyx wrote:
Honestly, who is more likly to become a vigalante...a flying bat or an actual person sick of seeing their neighborhood corrupted?




A flying bat.



It's a decent movie, whether or not I'm going to take it seriously and question if being a vigilante is right is a whole different story.



However, what right have they to play 'death?' Being Christian, wouldn't it be more logical for them to allow the ones they consider scum to be judged at the gates? If someone led an evil life (according to the morals set forth by the Christian religion), wouldn't they end up in hell paying a price for their sins during their mortal life? If they were a good person, they should have no need for the vigilantes.



(It is possible I got the whole religion thing confused, as it has been quite a while since I've cracked open a bible [and last time I did it was in collaboration with a friend that was studying the Koran as we searched for holes.]}
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