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beltmann
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| The Third M?n wrote: | | beltmann wrote: | | The Third M?n wrote: |
Now that was predictable, Eric. Believe it or not, Commando rules. In fact, I think it may be the greatest motion picture of all time... |
How's about this: I think The 6th Day is a genuinely good sci-fi picture.
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Whether you really mean it or not, the film isn't. It's merely okay. |
I meant it. Definitely better than okay. |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 10:40 am Post subject: |
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I fully agree. |
Unbreakable is Shyamalan's best indeed. I've seen it close to 15 times and never has it failed to astound me. |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| beltmann wrote: |
I meant it. Definitely better than okay. |
Okay fine; I have to admit that I did see it in theaters upon its initial release, I own the DVD and I've probably seen it 3 or 4 times. Okay. But it's not better than Commando. |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| beltmann wrote: |
Gerry - hmm
Eric |
I'm dying to see this one. I've heard about it a lot, and that it's very, um, polarising and whatnot; the question is, do you think I'd like it? |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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The third list!
The 25th Hour
The Apartment
Batman Returns
Chinatown
City Lights
Do the Right Thing
Duck Soup
The Elephant Man
The Evil Dead
The Evil Dead II
The Fast and the Furious
Forrest Gump
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
The Man With The Golden Gun
The Magnificent Ambersons
Monsters Inc
Mulholland Dr.
Nosferatu (1922)
Pi
Robocop
Shrek
Signs
Star Wars: A New Hope
Torque
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? |
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the night watchman
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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The 25th Hour - n/a
The Apartment - n/a
Batman Returns - hmmm
Chinatown - PRO (or maybe pro; it's been years)
City Lights - n/a
Do the Right Thing - PRO
Duck Soup - hmmm+/pro-
The Elephant Man - PRO
The Evil Dead - PRO
The Evil Dead II - pro
The Fast and the Furious - (Vin's?) hmmm
Forrest Gump - hmmm+
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - CON
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - PRO
The Man With The Golden Gun - hmmm
The Magnificent Ambersons - n/a
Monsters Inc - pro
Mulholland Dr. - PRO
Nosferatu (1922) - pro
Pi - PRO
Robocop - PRO
Shrek - pro
Signs - con
Star Wars: A New Hope - PRO
Torque - n/a, but assumed con
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - pro (but subject to change; again, been years)
I actually prefer Herzog's Nosferatu to the original.
I've got hopes for Shyamalan's The Villiage (aka The Woods), but I'm a tad mistrustful of him after Signs.
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| the night watchman wrote: | The Evil Dead - PRO
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That film is overrated. I loved it, in a way, but all in all, I'd just give it 7 out of 10 [yup, I changed my rating system]. It bothers me when people call this film "a masterpiece", because it clearly isn't -- it has flaws and some not-so-good aspects. For instance, it's often too monotonous for its own good and some special effects fail to truly convince. The film is incredibly fun, and yes, Ash rules, but it's no masterpiece, in my opinion.
Back up your opinion or you shall feel my wrath, boy. |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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The 25th Hour - pro
Batman Returns - pro
Chinatown - PRO
City Lights - PRO
The Elephant Man - PRO
The Evil Dead - hmm+
The Fast and the Furious - con
Forrest Gump - PRO
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - CON
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - PRO
The Man With The Golden Gun - hmm+ [a childhood favorite of mine]
The Magnificent Ambersons - PRO [I'd love to have seen the "unbutchered" version -- shame it was destroyed!]
Monsters Inc - pro
Mulholland Dr. - PRO
Nosferatu (1922) - pro
Pi - pro
Shrek - pro
Signs - pro
Star Wars: A New Hope - hmm
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - pro [been a long time, though] |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| the night watchman wrote: |
I actually prefer Herzog's Nosferatu to the original. |
I really want to see the remake. I'm actually thinking of buying this, you know.
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I've got hopes for Shyamalan's The Villiage (aka The Woods), but I'm a tad mistrustful of him after Signs. |
Yup, I'm looking forward to that one, too. Shyamalan is one of my favourite current directors -- and I actually liked Signs a lot. Why didn't you? |
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the night watchman
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| The Third M?n wrote: |
[The Evil Dead] is overrated. I loved it, in a way, but all in all, I'd just give it 7 out of 10. It bothers me when people call this film "a masterpiece", because it clearly isn't -- it has flaws and some not-so-good aspects. |
Well, there's more to a movie than absolute perfection. Is The Evil Dead flawed? I'll say. Much of the acting is ludicrous (although it gets better once the scares start), the dialogue isn't any better, and, yeah, much of the SFX is pretty cheap-looking. On the other hand, taken as a whole, it works. It achieves more atmosphere in a single frame than most slick, big-budget horror movies manage in an entire running time. There's a real sense of menace and danger, since no one character can immediately be identified as the hero (unless, of course, you've seen Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness) anyone can die at any time. There's a distinct sense that the movie is not going to play by the rules. And lastly, it has the most consistantly effective, most perfectly-timed jump scares I've seen in any horror movie. It's also important to remember that the swooping, whooshing cinematography and accompanying sound effects was unprecedented in genre cinema. Those who caught The Evil Dead upon its release were witness to something never seen before.
So, is it a masterpiece? Heck, I don't know. But The Evil Dead is, without doubt, influential and groundbreaking; furthermore, I don't think it's any more flawed, by contemporary standards, that Murnau's Nosferatu.
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matt header
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Posts: 623
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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The 25th Hour - pro
The Apartment - PRO (my favorite Wilder; brilliant film)
Batman Returns - pro (favorite of the Batman series)
Chinatown - pro (one of the most thematically dark neo-noirs ever)
City Lights - PRO (one of my all-time faves)
Do the Right Thing - pro
Duck Soup - pro (not my fave example of Marx Bros. lunacy, but still hilarious)
The Elephant Man - PRO (man, you're picking all my faves; this is my personal favorite Lynch movie)
The Evil Dead - pro
The Fast and the Furious - con (the pseudo-cool tough-guy cameraderie usually annoys me more than it entertains)
Forrest Gump - pro
LOTR: Fellowship - pro (a wonder of technical prowess, but rarely more than that)
Man w/ the Golden Gun - pro
Monsters Inc. - pro (I cried at this movie, and I'm not ashamed to admit it)
Mulholland Dr. - pro
Nosferatu (1922) - PRO (masterpiece of German Expressionism)
Pi - pro
Shrek - hmm (yeah, it's gorgeous and sweet, but I was really surprised and put off by its reliance on scatological humor, which is a lot mroe desperate and a lot less funny than the movie's more successful satirical barbs)
Signs - hmm (awesome ideas of fate in this movie, but not delivered extremely well)
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - PRO (a childhood fave, and I still think it's brilliant) |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| matt header wrote: | [
Duck Soup - pro (not my fave example of Marx Bros. lunacy, but still hilarious)
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I don't think I'll ever be able to give a Marx brothers film the full rating. And do you know why? It's because of the soppy, redundant love stories that are thrown in. Without the love story, A Night at the Opera would have been a masterpiece; but no, they had to include all those in-between songs, the unnecessary romance, etc. It's all for the detriment of the film. They do the same in A Night in Casablanca, and, while very good, the film suffers because of it. |
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matt header
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| A Night at the Opera is my favorite Marx Bros. offering, and while I think it is a masterpiece (it's one of my favorite comedies), I agree that the romantic subplots are sometimes done with silly abandon. While romances like Top Hat and It Happened One Night don't seem outdated, the romantic elements in Marx Bros movies often show their age. |
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the night watchman
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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I fully agree with both of you.
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 02.18.2004 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| matt header wrote: | | A Night at the Opera is my favorite Marx Bros. offering, and while I think it is a masterpiece (it's one of my favorite comedies), I agree that the romantic subplots are sometimes done with silly abandon. While romances like Top Hat and It Happened One Night don't seem outdated, the romantic elements in Marx Bros movies often show their age. |
I'm with you on this one. A Night at the Opera is my favourite, too, but it could have done without the silly love story. It's not pointless, but it's completely unnecessary and badly done. That said, the utter hilarity of the finale's surreal scenes more than makes up for it. |
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