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the night watchman
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Understood. There is certainly a difference between the statement, "I thought this movie was terrible," and "This movie is terrible." The first leaves you freedom to disagree; the second acts as a pronouncement of absolute truth.
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beltmann
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| Posted: 04.05.2004 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| the night watchman wrote: | | There is certainly a difference between the statement, "I thought this movie was terrible," and "This movie is terrible." The first leaves you freedom to disagree; the second acts as a pronouncement of absolute truth. |
Of course you are right. But when discussing a subjective topic like movies, isn't the freedom to disagree always implied? To me, your example phrases seem interchangeable. Since both necessarily imply a subjective opinion, the "I thought" sounds redundant.
Maybe I'm just saying that I never intend to proclaim my opinion as absolute truth. There are far too many critical approaches for one opinion, based on one possible approach, to be pronounced the "correct" one.
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the night watchman
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| Posted: 04.05.2004 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| beltmann wrote: | | But when discussing a subjective topic like movies, isn't the freedom to disagree always implied? To me, your example phrases seem interchangeable. Since both necessarily imply a subjective opinion, the "I thought" sounds redundant. |
Yeah, but there are people out there who don't regard their opinion as subjective. Heh, maybe I've run into a few more of them than you have. But I notice that when I hedge my opinions people seem to be more relaxed and less defensive if they disagree with what I'm saying.
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beltmann
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| Posted: 04.05.2004 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| the night watchman wrote: | | ...there are people out there who don't regard their opinion as subjective. Heh, maybe I've run into a few more of them than you have. But I notice that when I hedge my opinions people seem to be more relaxed and less defensive if they disagree with what I'm saying. |
I've certainly noticed the same (tone and body language also go a long way in disarming hostility). I guess I just meant that there are certain topics--such as art--where the implication of subjectivity runs higher. As for the boors, I'm not sure our cautious phrasing makes much difference. 
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the night watchman
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Yep.
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mfritschel
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| Posted: 04.05.2004 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Le Divorce (2003) D
Magnolia (1999) A
Hellboy (2004) C -
Underworld (2003) C
From Dusk Till Dawn (1996) C
As far as these here movies go, I was severly dissapointed w/ Le Divorce, as it what really was the point besides making fun of the obvious culutral differences between our two countires. Plus, besides something nice to look at Kate Hudson just wasn't good at all. Magonlia however was a great picture. I was completely enthralled with it from the beginning and am quickly becoming an avid fan of PT Anderson. I would rate this picture far above Punch Drunk Love, which I did really admire.
As far as the other ones, Hellboy was what I expected and I don't think Rodriguez has ever made a movie where he's taken its content or himself that seriously, and From Dusk till Dawn was no differnt. |
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Jim Harper
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| Posted: 04.06.2004 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| the night watchman wrote: | | I totally disagree. To me, May is one of the best horror films of the last few years; the humor worked splendidly for me, and I felt profound sympathy for its central character. |
Agreed. An excellent film. I'm very interested to see what Lucky McGee does next. |
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Jim Harper
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| Posted: 04.06.2004 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| the night watchman wrote: | | matt header wrote: |
In the Mouth of Madness (Carpenter, 1995) [b]C-
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This is a movie I really, really want to like more than I do, since I think it boasts some very neat ideas, and because I'm a big Lovecraft fan (whose work the themes of Sutter Kane's books are meant to resemble). But Carpenter seems to be painting-by-numbers here. I return to In the Mouth of Madness every three or four years with hope in my heart, but I'm invariably let down. |
I've always felt that the first half is prime Carpenter. But then I'm a devotee whose opinion is perhaps not as objective as it good be. hell I thought Ghosts of Mars was great.
It does contain one of the best lines in any Carpenter film though: "Not the Carpenters too!" Classic. |
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matt header
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Yeah, I dug that line.
I really was into the movie for about forty-five minutes, but in Ebert's review of the film, he says something about how it doesn't have any rules: it just does whatever it wants, not abiding by any narrative logic. Of course that may be the charm of the film to some; I found it pretty redundant by the end. |
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juhsstin
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Fair enough. When I read his reply to me, I thought he was challenging me, trying to make me look like an idiot for liking the film. |
sorry if i came across that way. i also disliked it because i found it to be simply boring. who is ermy? the cop guy? like that whole scene in the car with the cops tormenting the teenagers, it was a long drawn out, tedious sequence. i can't really go into more detail, but i remember feeling that way about it.
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| the night watchman wrote: | | On a five star scale I'd rate it **, maybe **1/2 for Ermey's performance. |
i would give it two stars. one for each of jessica biel's knockers... 
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the night watchman
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| Jim Harper wrote: | hell I thought Ghosts of Mars was great.
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I thought it was a fun B-movie, and probably his most entertaining since Prince of Darkness. Of course, I would have liked it better if Snake Plissken had replaced 'Desolation' Williams, and had the movie been called Escape from Mars. 
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Jim Harper
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| Posted: 04.06.2004 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| matt header wrote: | Yeah, I dug that line.
I really was into the movie for about forty-five minutes, but in Ebert's review of the film, he says something about how it doesn't have any rules: it just does whatever it wants, not abiding by any narrative logic. Of course that may be the charm of the film to some; I found it pretty redundant by the end. |
The second half is definitely less satisfactory. It's not enough to make me not enjoy the film, but I'll agree it's not a perfect movie. |
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Jim Harper
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| the night watchman wrote: | | Jim Harper wrote: | hell I thought Ghosts of Mars was great.
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I thought it was a fun B-movie, and probably his most entertaining since Prince of Darkness. Of course, I would have liked it better if Snake Plissken had replaced 'Desolation' Williams, and had the movie been called Escape from Mars. |
Yes, I'll agree with that. I really rate Prince of Darkness; it's a mess of a movie but it's a lot of fun.
As much as I'd appreciate a new Snake Plissken movie- although more in line with Ghosts of Mars than Escape From L.A.- I did enjoy watching Natasha Henstridge, and Carpenter has referred to her as his 'female Kurt Russell'. |
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the night watchman
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| Jim Harper wrote: |
As much as I'd appreciate a new Snake Plissken movie- although more in line with Ghosts of Mars than Escape From L.A.- I did enjoy watching Natasha Henstridge, and Carpenter has referred to her as his 'female Kurt Russell'. |
She does deliver a surprisingly good performance in GoM. Maybe Carpenter will team her character and Snake up some day.
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