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The Third M?n · Posted: 09.27.2003 9:08 am Post subject: Regarding abortion...

What do you think about it? Are you pro-life, do you think it's wrong or right to commit abortion?

Michael Scrutchin · Posted: 09.27.2003 2:47 pm Post subject:

It's not as clear-cut as "wrong" or "right."
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beltmann · Posted: 09.27.2003 2:55 pm Post subject:

Indeed. There are many variables to consider, not least of which is the type of procedure, as well as the factors surrounding conception. For me, though, the central question concerns when human life begins, at conception or otherwise. Since doctors, politicians, and theologians can't seem to agree, the morality of abortion remains hopelessly confused--unresolvable except on a personal level.

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The Third M?n · Posted: 09.27.2003 3:25 pm Post subject:

Of course it isn't all a matter of 'wrong' or 'right', 'black' and 'white, etc (hey that rhymes...) However, it has been scientifically proven that when the spermatozoid fertilises the ovum, a new human being is created as it has its own set of chromosomes. There are many who think that life begins when the foetus reaches the uterus whereas others believe that it is when the baby is born (how ridiculous is that?)

Danny Baldwin · Posted: 09.27.2003 3:26 pm Post subject:

I'm pure Republican, except on abortion and gay-rights.

Yes, I am for it. Despite what many others may believe, I think it's mostly a religious issue.

I'm primarily for it because I do not think that our adoption system (though extremely proficient) is as stable as it needs to be (and I don't think that it will ever be). Putting yourself in child's shoes--would you rather a) grow up in a home with a mother and/or father that is not able to care for you, b) grow up in an shelter, waiting and waiting for someone to come and take you, or c) die before your birthdate.

I would pick the third. There are many, many variables to take in account for, one of the biggest is location. That's why socitiety as a whole (putting religion and ethics beside) will never be able to decide as a whole.
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Mark Dujsik · Posted: 09.27.2003 6:04 pm Post subject:

In one of the religion threads already here, I was going to joke, "I hope we talk about abortion next!" Rolling Eyes

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beltmann · Posted: 09.27.2003 7:57 pm Post subject:

the night watchman · Posted: 09.27.2003 9:42 pm Post subject:

Man, I hope this thread remains pleasant. I think the real problem is not whether abortion is right or wrong, but why so many unwanted pregnancies exist. That is the issue that proponents and opponents ought to be concerned with. But it's easier to take the moral high ground and shout "Right to life!" or "Right to choose!" than it is to really consider the real problem, especially if pragmatically thinking about the issue necessitates considering options you might not want to admit.

As far as abortion goes, my thought is this: Outlawing abortion is not going to stop abortion. What it's going to do is put women at risk by forcing them to seek out less-than-suitable conditions for the procedure. Women should be allowed to make the choice they want, but I see no real problem in requiring them to attend an objective seminar first that explores alternate options to abortion and potential consequences of abortion.

I can't agree with anyone who says life begins at conception. A clump of cells is not a human being any more than a corpse is a human being. The philosophical argument that a zygote or an embryo is a potential human is fallacious, because if the mother is dead set on getting an abortion then no inherent potential exists any more than if the zygote or embryo were aborted through unplanned accident or physical complications. Furthermore, even the most ardent pro-lifer allows for the acceptability of abortion under "special circumstances," such as rape, incest, or if the life of the mother is at stake. This clause clearly demonstrates that even they place the life of a "born individual" before than the life of an "unborn individual."

In the end, I think there are better choices than abortion, but taking away the option solves nothing.
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Danny Baldwin · Posted: 09.27.2003 9:49 pm Post subject:

the night watchman · Posted: 09.27.2003 10:17 pm Post subject:

Thank you, Danny.
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beltmann · Posted: 09.27.2003 11:04 pm Post subject:

Danny Baldwin · Posted: 09.27.2003 11:25 pm Post subject:

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the night watchman · Posted: 09.27.2003 11:52 pm Post subject:

Danny Baldwin · Posted: 09.28.2003 12:07 am Post subject:

Well, half of it is that not enough people want to adopt. The other half is the conditions of living in a shelter in the places where most unplanned births are. Not to generalize or stereotype, but that place is, percentage wise, the inner-cities.
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