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The Third M?n
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 Posted: 09.28.2003 12:29 pm Post subject: The Matrix Revolutions Theatrical Trailer... WOW! |
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What can I say, my hopes are up now. The final battles are going to be magnificent. Thoughts, anyone? |
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| Posted: 09.28.2003 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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hellll yes!
this is going to be the best movie of the year!!!!
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| Posted: 09.29.2003 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| I am very excited to see how the trilogy will end (though I was a tad bit disappointed by "Reloaded"). Best fight scenes of the year? Well, I think it will be either this or "Kill Bill." |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 09.29.2003 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Err... what about The Return of the King? Remember the Battle of the Pelenoor Fields? 200,000 uruk-hai!!!
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| Posted: 09.29.2003 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| Good point. I guess I was thinking more kung-fu style tomfoolery, but yes, "Return of the King" should be impressive. |
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The Third M?n
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| Posted: 09.29.2003 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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beltmann
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| Posted: 09.29.2003 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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I can't get excited about either Revolutions or Return of the King. I'm looking forward to both, I suppose, but more out of curiosity than enthusiasm. Kill Bill, on the other hand, looks like it might be a doozy. I always feel that Tarantino is skittering near the edge of ineptitude, but so far his spell over me hasn't been broken--I like all three previous features, and Jackie Brown in particular stands up to multiple visits.
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the night watchman
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| beltmann wrote: | | I always feel that Tarantino is skittering near the edge of ineptitude, but so far his spell over me hasn't been broken |
Why do you say that?
As far as Matrix Revolutions goes, I have my fingers crossed. I enjoyed the first movie, but I felt it took a really good idea and wrapped it up with a (admittedly spectacular) gun battle. I got a little tired of hearing what a great movie it was, and that it was one of the best science fiction movies ever made, yadda yadda yadda. A really good popcorn movie, at best, I'd say. I wasn't that excited about Reloaded because the hype from the first had just worn me out, but I was surprised to find myself really enjoying it and getting caught up in the world and storyline. Revolutions better follow through with what Reloaded set up, or else all my interest in The Matrix will fizzle. I'm looking forward to the conclusion of a cracking good yarn, and I hope Revolutions delivers.
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beltmann
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| Posted: 10.12.2003 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| the night watchman wrote: | | A really good popcorn movie, at best, I'd say. I wasn't that excited about Reloaded because the hype from the first had just worn me out, but I was surprised to find myself really enjoying it and getting caught up in the world and storyline. |
I agree that the series has been overpraised, especially in terms of philosophical analysis. The first was indeed a great popcorn movie--and certainly leagues beyond whatever George Lucas has been up to lately--but I had the opposite reaction to Reloaded than you did.
The first movie partially worked because we had a human entry point to identify with: as Neo learns more about the "real world," we are as surprised and confused as he is. The mystery continued to deepen as the film progressed. Fascinating things happened in between the wonderful action scenes.
The second movie, however, had the reverse effect on me. There was no longer any human element in the film, and I felt like an Orga stranded in a sea of Mechas. In fact, the more I learned about the "mythology" the less fascianted I became; each "revelation" actually decreased my interest. Worse, the bloated action scenes were interminable, and very little happened in between them that was worthwhile. I also thought that the character of Morpheus, so commanding in the first one, became utterly laughable, partly because Fishburne turned him into a stoic cartoon.
Despite my disappointment in the second entry, I remain optimistic about the third. I must admit, though, that the trailers have failed to impress me. Looks like more of the mecha mentality--a lot more. Sigh.
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Nasimov
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| Posted: 10.16.2003 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I love The Matrix. I think Revolutions is gonna be better than Reloaded. It's gonna be GREAT!!! |
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I was disappointed by "Reloaded." I agree with many fans of the first film that it was a truly new experience, stimulating in many ways. But the second film, even it hadn't been weakened by the countless imitators and all the hype after "The Matrix," would still be a poor movie: its philosophy is gobbledygook, surface-deep monologues about choice and technology. The action scenes are usually well-done, but there was a discussion on another post, I think, about how the CGI in the Agent Smiths-fight was distractingly artificial (even if that was the only way it could have been done, I still had the dull feeling that I was watching other people play video games).
Still, I'm excited for the third one; I have to see how it will end. |
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the night watchman
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The CGI in the Matrix movies doesn't bother me since, after all, the sequences it's used in takes place in a computer program. To me, it's just the look of the world. Same with the philosophical/religious gobbledegook; it obviously wouldn't work in the real world, but within the context of the world of the Matrix it works perfectly fine. Of course, I couldn't quite follow it, so I might reassess my opinion after I watch it again.
It's sort of the same with LOTR. I don't buy the black-and-white world-view LOTR espouses; the idea of polerized good and evil, light and darkness, etc. But within the context of the movies I can suspend my disbelief.
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the night watchman
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Incidently, I think the thing that really appealed to me in Reloaded was the development of Agent Smith. I like the fact that he was sort of an anomaly, a divergence from the course set by the machines.
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Mark Dujsik
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| Posted: 10.16.2003 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| beltman wrote: | The first movie partially worked because we had a human entry point to identify with: as Neo learns more about the "real world," we are as surprised and confused as he is. The mystery continued to deepen as the film progressed. Fascinating things happened in between the wonderful action scenes.
The second movie, however, had the reverse effect on me. There was no longer any human element in the film, and I felt like an Orga stranded in a sea of Mechas. In fact, the more I learned about the "mythology" the less fascianted I became; each "revelation" actually decreased my interest. |
As I put it in my review (I know, I don't get people who quote themselves either):
"The original film started off foggy, became slightly clearer without lifting the haze, and ultimately ended in vibrant color?an understanding of events past and a realization of new, seemingly unlimited possibilities. The Matrix Reloaded is, by comparison, in black-and-white; everything is clear from the start. We know where it's heading and regret the clarity, longing for the times we could only wonder."
The "ending" of Reloaded leaves open a whole bunch of possibilities again, although I could see Revolutions unfolding in a simple, clearcut way, especially if the Wachowskis take the obvious route to answer Neo's actions at the end of the film: Just as Agent Smith became "free" from the confines of The Matrix by Neo "joining" with him at the end of the first film, Neo becomes "in tune" with the machines when Smith begins to "join" with him in The Matrix.
| beltmann wrote: | | The first was indeed a great popcorn movie--and certainly leagues beyond whatever George Lucas has been up to lately... |
I'm going to sit in the corner, embracing my copy of Attack of Clones.
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beltmann
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| the night watchman wrote: | | The CGI in the Matrix movies doesn't bother me since, after all, the sequences it's used in takes place in a computer program. To me, it's just the look of the world. |
I agree entirely. I'm no fan of the misuse of CGI, but I had no problems at with all with the rubbery effects in either Matrix picture. It is indeed "just the look of the world," and matches our contemporary conception of what such a world might look like. I couldn't stomach the Agent Smith Brawl scene, but for reasons unrelated to technology--I just didn't think it made narrative sense.
| the night watchman wrote: | | Same with the philosophical/religious gobbledegook; it obviously wouldn't work in the real world, but within the context of the world of the Matrix it works perfectly fine. |
That rationalization might hold true for the first film, but I can't agree that it does for the second. The deeper we got into the babble, the more my eyes rolled--even in context I found it too silly, laughable enough to break verisimilitude. I'll concede, though, that our individual responses might have a lot to do with our mood and willingness to suspend disbelief at the moment of viewing.
| the night watchman wrote: | | It's sort of the same with LOTR. I don't buy the black-and-white world-view LOTR espouses; the idea of polerized good and evil, light and darkness, etc. But within the context of the movies I can suspend my disbelief. |
There are certain genres--such as Westerns and fantasy--that make the disparity between good and evil a central theme, and if black-and-white scenarios help the picture explore that theme, I can accept that. I agree that LOTR is a good example. (My problem with LOTR is that there's a certain dehumanization at play; Jackson's fascination with mass slaughter--the adrenalized excitement of battle--reminds me a bit of the pawns that Lucas pushes around the screen. This is not to say I dislike Jackson's trilogy... I just think there is a rather naive, boyish sensibility at work in it.)
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